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12-13-2023 , 04:21 PM
There is a computer simulation/calculation that I hope I have simplified to the point where someone here can program it easily. It is indirectly related to some of the posts on this thread.

Everyone has fifteen dollars in front of them. Blinds put in one and two dollars of their fifteen. 8 handed. You must move in if you play. If two or more play, the five card holdem board is dealt.

There is no rake.

The eight players are computers playing as close as possible to GTO. I assume they will reach close to GTO via multiple simulations that gradually adjust rather than through calculations.

In any case, I am interested in how often close to perfect players see a flop and how often there is one player other than the big blind who wins unopposed. (The rest of the time the big blind gets a walk.)

If this is doable I would also like to see how the answer changes if pots that see a flop are raked three dollars

I am also interested in what readers would guess are the correct answers.
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12-13-2023 , 04:30 PM
who cares about a sim where its 8bbs effective?
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12-13-2023 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PointlessWords
who cares about a sim where its 8bbs effective?
I believe that answer as to what percentage of hands would see a flop would barely change if everyone had 100 bbs but the preflop bet was restricted to $15 or zero Do you disagree.?
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12-13-2023 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
I believe that answer as to what percentage of hands would see a flop would barely change if everyone had 100 bbs but the preflop bet was restricted to $15 or zero Do you disagree.?
Not sure but why not just use real world examples first.

I’m pretty sure I disagree as the mass amount of BBs changes even tho SPR and implied odds may be the same. Also we don’t need to only shove or fold 100bbs deep.
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12-13-2023 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

The price of the book will be $22.22, we are 2+2 after all, and it's 209 pages.

Mason
I'm buying it
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12-13-2023 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
I'm buying it
Sounds to me like you have a two fetish
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12-13-2023 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by billylean
Sounds to me like you have a two fetish
Well, anyone who's anybody knows that twos are wild.
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12-13-2023 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by billylean
Sounds to me like you have a two fetish
We even have a cat named 2.

Mason
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12-13-2023 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
We even have a cat named 2.

Mason
This is awesome Mason. McMuffin loves cat stuff.
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12-13-2023 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

The price of the book will be $22.22, we are 2+2 after all, and it's 209 pages.

Mason
Correction: The book is 211 pages.

Mason
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12-13-2023 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi Everyone:

The price of the book will be $22.22, we are 2+2 after all, and it's 209 pages.

Mason
Do reviewers get free copies?
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12-13-2023 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by BartHanson
Do reviewers get free copies?
How about moderators, do they get free copies?
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12-13-2023 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Correction: The book is 211 pages.

Mason
an even better bargain!
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12-13-2023 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
an even better bargain!
an extra 2 pages, from the founders of 2+2, and 2's are wild. It's a win all around!
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12-14-2023 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by BartHanson
Do reviewers get free copies?
Perhaps. But I’ll offer you something even better. How about you doing an interview on your podcast with David Sklansky where you talk about the book.

Also, we’re still finishing the manuscript, so we won’t be ready to send out any copies for a few days.

Send me a PM if you want to get David on.

Mason
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12-14-2023 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
If you want to improve your game you don't stay at 1/3 - 1/3 is playing against drunks, new players, gamblers, etc - little to no improvement will be made. Atleast at 2/5 you start to see some competency. Furthermore he said 6000 hours of 1/3 play - that is a TON of hours. Even over 10 years that is a lot of time spent playing 1/3 - that's great if you enjoy it, just don't think it's the best use of anyone's time.
Sure, he should definitely want to move up to where he will be with other competent players, instead of playing with the newbies, drunks and gamblers.
Who would want to go for the easy money there?
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12-14-2023 , 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerEthics
Cost you action in general. You’ve basically told the entire table I’m passive so my bets and calls and continues are mega strong.

You will win smaller pots. They will wait for the goods against you. They might bluff you more and stop their bluffs when you call knowing you’re always at top of range.
Or maybe you can now bluff them?
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12-14-2023 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Perhaps. But I’ll offer you something even better. How about you doing an interview on your podcast with David Sklansky where you talk about the book.

Also, we’re still finishing the manuscript, so we won’t be ready to send out any copies for a few days.

Send me a PM if you want to get David on.

Mason
I usually prefer reading all my books in kindle these days, which works just fine except for books with graphics, like high fantasy novels with maps or poker books with lots of visual displays. What's your estimation of that situation here? Is the new book mostly text, or is there a significant amount of graphics that would make a physical copy more effective than a kindle?
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12-14-2023 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by BrickMMA
I usually prefer reading all my books in kindle these days, which works just fine except for books with graphics, like high fantasy novels with maps or poker books with lots of visual displays. What's your estimation of that situation here? Is the new book mostly text, or is there a significant amount of graphics that would make a physical copy more effective than a kindle?
I like kindles as well.

We send our books to a professional kindle builder and they do a good job with the graphics. So, while we do use card pictures that shouldn’t be a problem.

Mason
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12-14-2023 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Sure, he should definitely want to move up to where he will be with other competent players, instead of playing with the newbies, drunks and gamblers.
Who would want to go for the easy money there?
Move up to where they respect raises
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12-14-2023 , 02:15 PM
When will the physical book be available? Asking for a friend.
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12-14-2023 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Meisner
When will the physical book be available? Asking for a friend.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=531
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12-14-2023 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Sure, he should definitely want to move up to where he will be with other competent players, instead of playing with the newbies, drunks and gamblers.
Who would want to go for the easy money there?
Because he doesn't want to make 15-20/hr? Furthermore moving up stakes will improve your play ultimately leading to a higher hourly - who would want to do that? lol
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12-14-2023 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Because he doesn't want to make 15-20/hr? Furthermore moving up stakes will improve your play ultimately leading to a higher hourly - who would want to do that? lol
People who play for fun and enjoy playing with drunks, newbies, and gamblers

I find it amazing that some people can’t see an issue such as this from both sides. Not everyone plays poker for the same reasons.
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12-14-2023 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by pokerfan655
Because he doesn't want to make 15-20/hr? Furthermore moving up stakes will improve your play ultimately leading to a higher hourly - who would want to do that? lol
Casual players don't want to risk as much money.
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