theres a common type of loose player who plays way too many hands pre flop and if they decide to continue with them basically go "all the way". how is it not more profitable to "open up" against this common type of fish in position? you basically have them to yourself which is a dream scenario. if you kept super tight someone else will send them to the rail before you wake up with aces or whatever. am i misreading your post?

Yes this.

You loosen up vs fish, you don't tighten up.

Fish literally misplay every street, in what world would you ever want to play tight vs them?

MDA also show's us that fish under 3bet relative regulars, so you would open MORE hands not less, even if they somehow played well postflop.

oh I wouldnt. personally its best to just keep your strategy the same. unless you can see their cards, you have no idea what freqs they have and without that information, you really dont know if they are playing too wide that often or if it was just a hand or two to throw you off.


Ill respond to limon later

I won't spoil any more of David's books but on page 161 of The Theory of Poker Applied to No-Limit, David wrote about this very topic. There are some bonus chapters in the book that co-relate to this. David's thoughts on GTO in Chapter 19 of this book make a lot of sense to me personally.

I mentioned playing small pps in ep. Possibly opening small or with a limp. Also, overcalling preflop with small pps and suited aces to potentially win big pots. Generally bet biggish if you are going to bet the pot, particularly in limped pots.

3-betting approaches have to be different. For one thing multi-way. Also, some players are limping and only raising tight ranges, so those should only be 3-bet with a strong range. 3-bets tend to get called a lot, often multiway, but 3-bets will be interpreted as like QQ+/AK by many players. Generally, also fold to 3-bets without strong hands or good hands to draw to unless the 3-bettor is a reg or has been seen to 3-bet frequently or light. Often also, you can put the 3-bettor on an overpair or TPTK with AK and fold or extract accordingly.

It is really hard to discuss GTO postflop. Applying some GTO principles correctly will help. However, solvers to not deal with 4 or more way pots, particularly with really bad players.

This is obviously excellent advice for experienced good players. For less experienced intermediates who want to be sure they have an edge it may not be, at least as far as their own stack is concerned. (Notice that the KK limp/fold is a lot easier to execute than the typical tactic which can leave too much money on the table for that intermediate to negotiate well. Thus, if the hourly rate of that simpler play is in the same ballpark as the routine play even for experts, it not only increases the income of the intermediate, but also the income of the people who make money when the intermediate does well after reading about the play.)

If you play well postflop, you can play more hands against bad players. You can also just play a solid range and have an advantage versus their junk.

I don't think GTO says what hands to come in as the 3rd caller of a raise with. However, the ranges are standard GTO type ranges. You should generally call with any pp or suited ace. Suited connectors/ gappers and marginal high card hands are borderline.

Deuce. Give it a rest bud.

It's not like you can ever be a winning player with such a strategy anyways.