Well send me your application anyway, perhaps I can help you out

You might even do so well that you'll start threads here asking for the best promos to pay off all the money you owe your backer.

If they don't do that then some of the criticism thrown at us is instantly negated. It is simple logic that starting hands should be more numerous and sometimes played differently if you are facing an opponent who will take two to one all in on a flush draw with one to come.

It is also simple logic that if it costs $15 to enter a 1-2 blind game, GTO preflop play would be super tight.

This reminds me of a fight I had with Edward Thorp 40 years ago. His computer figured out the house edge when all of a certain rank was gone given adjusted basic strategy. But it didn't say what those strategies were. The computer said that the player had an edge when all the tens were gone! When Thorp was asked what new basic strategy could accomplish that, he replied that he had no idea, but he trusted his computer. Except that again simple logic HAD TO MEAN that the main change was hitting hard 17. What else could it be? I criticized Thorp for shutting off his brain and being a slave to his computer. You are too smart to be a slave.

I think you're overvaluing the edge that comes from knowing how certain opponents play certain types of hands. This is valuable when you play them after the flop, no doubt, but you're implying that it's easy to bridge the gap to preflop play and make intelligent preflop adjustments based on this information. It is not.

Exactly. Except don’t hang yourself.

This one of the best posts on 2+2 in a long time.

Someone should post the KK hand to LLSNL and ask regs who can recognize it not to mention where it came from for a day or two.

Stir up some more nerds

youre like somebody who says they "just have more fun" playing triple zero roulette over single zero roulette. aka a sucker. i should be happy people like you are around i guess. i can lead a horse to water but i can't make it drink.

not being rake raped IS MORE FUN!!!

You must be so much fun at parties.

It appears you are falling into the familiar trope of "old people irrationally hate technology". DUCY

Appeared to be a rational critique of over reliance and misuse of computer output

But opinions vary

If gigglinggoblin posted it, no one would even notice.

The fact of the matter is that MDA and solver have shown us that you make more by playing the same range or tighter versus looser opponents.



Because he is so wrong ?


Thx. I do well in groups

Playing about the same range is correct to some extent. Playing the same way is not. I gave the example of a small pp in ep. Folding would be really bad in a 1/3 NL game, but GTO says fold, and folding would be correct in a tough game.

This is a good video on changes in the game due to solvers. For example, not cbetting so much because you have the "initiative". Generally, do not cbet much out of position and on connected low and mid board which favor the caller.

Understanding some solver-based concepts is helpful at 2/5 and more so the higher stakes. Trying to play GTO is generally bad at 2/5 and below.

Looser opponents preflop. Not post flop. No chance the solver disagrees with me because it is obvious irrefutable logic.

By the way the fact that the solver doesn't recommend loosening up when the opponent's starting hands are looser (up to a point) is also easy to explain logically. The computer when coming up with opening requirements (say draw poker vs good opponents) assumes that the opponents will correctly fold hands that are slightly better than the bottom of the opener's range (for example if the computer says that jacks should be opened in draw poker it assumes that queens and probably kings will be folded behind it as they should be. But if your opponent does not fold queens or kings, it probably means that jacks should no longer be opened.) Again, that is different than assuming that the opponent plays badly on the river. For instance, you know he always bets. You don't think that means you should play looser preflop? If so, we need to bring in Abe Lincoln.

Folding is fine and prob neutral EV

What would it take for you to admit you’re wrong ?

When someone is playing too many hands it is most profitable to play the same or tighter

That will make you more money than playing looser.

When someone is playing too many hands it is most profitable to play the same or tighter. Wasn't as hard as you thought.

Offhand rejecting this strategy because the "solver says you can't", when we're discussing opponents that play so far from GTO post-flop feels like incredibly rigid thinking. There is both a cost to playing a wider range preflop and a cost in losing the opportunity to play post-flop vs inferior opponents. A solver can't possibly definitively say the cost in playing the wider range is greater than that lost opportunity cost unless solvers have perfected exploitative play, which obviously is not the case.

Have you ever played 1/2 or 1/3 NL or loose 2/5 games? Open folding a small pp is a big mistake in these games. A small pp is better in ep than if passed to you in late position, because a multiway pot is more likely.

My issue with the KK hand is lose 1-2 and the like donks are overly passive and well lose. So they call too much and don't bet enough. So why is david not giving them the chance to make their favorite mistake ? I want even assume it was a mistake in the moment as i dont know the table dynamics, maybe a player left to act was a maniac, but in a low stakes live game i wouldn't be relying on others to bet for me

I hit my first bad beat it 2008. And you’re wrong.

Just out of curiosity, can you provide any specific examples of when you would deviate from your perceived near perfect GTO strategy? Please be as specific as possible.

I would ask David Sklansky this same question, but quite honestly, I already know his answer. He's written multiple chapters on this.

nearly everyone in these games is horrible, correct. you game select for very deep stacks. often times the overnight game will be 3 times as deep as the morning game, the two aren't on the same planet as far as win rate. even a rake trap 1-2 game can be playable if its very deep and everyone is straddling. (THIS IS RARE)