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10-05-2012 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt Crocker
Doesn't really change that both ISPT media and Carfax in this thread have repeatedly guaranteed the prize pool.

+ tapie said clearly that the prizepool is guaranteed & Pm said it in an interview, too ...
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10-05-2012 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
They are playing with words again. Its like me saying , I am proposing to have the largest guatanted prize pool in the history of home poker. I didn t guatante anything, only saying I am proposing to have one
If you read a bit further down it says "A prize pool of €20m is guaranteed."
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10-05-2012 , 10:57 AM
In theory, I think it's a cool(ish) idea but I think it's incredibly impractical and unrealistic. Aside from the doubts surrounding controversial backers, the guarantee, the tournament structure, the size of the rake and the length and amount of the re-buy stage, I just don't understand how any of it will work in practice. Even slightly.

First of all, it's not going to get even close to 15k people let alone 30k. Outdoors in England? Whilst the WSOP is on? In an expensive city? How are they going to find power outlets for all those laptops with the right adaptors/sockets for various countries? How are they going to make the software and Wi-Fi download and run smoothly for everyone without problems? Signal-Jammer concerns? Glitches preventing rebuys? Rain and wind protection? Laptop protection? Synchronised bathroom breaks? Temperature/Comfort for playing for that many hours each day?

It's a $600+R tournament. I can't see anywhere near 15K people affording that. Satellites won't be popular either as after the buy-in, people won't be able to afford anymore rebuys. Anyone who can afford $600 plus rebuys and add-ons (let's say $1,800 minimum), is probably going to be the type of person who can afford to buy-in directly on Day 3 when 66% of the field (or something like that get paid) or they will be they type of person who will be in Vegas playing the WSOP as they can afford buy-ins like that. I just can't see it getting more than 2,000 people. If that. I think it's extremely unlikely it will go ahead. Also, players would have to fork out money for travel, accommodation and food which might all come to another 1k-2k anyway just to bust out in the first hour. They might as well take their $4K to Vegas and play 3-4 WSOP events.

What they should have done is tested this out on a much MUCH smaller scale. Test the concept, test the size of the interest, test the software, test the seating logistics and test the structure. It just sounds like an idea Curly, Larry and Mo would come up with.

I also think it's cheeky how the website shows that a couple of thousand of people have registered when really we've been told in this thread that it's just that they've "registered interest". I hope people think and ask around and read forums like these before they sign up. I hope anyone that HAS registered can get their money back easily.
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10-05-2012 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrtrebus
If you read a bit further down it says "A prize pool of €20m is guaranteed."
I didn t see it on the ISPT page but never the less, they are playing with words. It makes it look like its guaranted when its not. I don t think this will happen.
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10-05-2012 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Actually the power problem has already been discussed and there is the power there to do it
oh really, I haven't really had the time to read through the whole thread, any chance of a quick summary of how they propose to do this?
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10-05-2012 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Furiae
oh really, I haven't really had the time to read through the whole thread, any chance of a quick summary of how they propose to do this?
I apologise. I think I might have missed it as well. What was the solution? Would they still be able to sort out all the sockets even if they had enough power?
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10-05-2012 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Furiae
oh really, I haven't really had the time to read through the whole thread, any chance of a quick summary of how they propose to do this?
There was a debate on how much power each laptop would require when on full charge* number of players, (30,000) = total load. The total was not that much.
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10-05-2012 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CampbellGamble
In theory, I think it's a cool(ish) idea but I think it's incredibly impractical and unrealistic. Aside from the doubts surrounding controversial backers, the guarantee, the tournament structure, the size of the rake and the length and amount of the re-buy stage, I just don't understand how any of it will work in practice. Even slightly.

First of all, it's not going to get even close to 15k people let alone 30k. Outdoors in England? Whilst the WSOP is on? In an expensive city? How are they going to find power outlets for all those laptops with the right adaptors/sockets for various countries? How are they going to make the software and Wi-Fi download and run smoothly for everyone without problems? Signal-Jammer concerns? Glitches preventing rebuys? Rain and wind protection? Laptop protection? Synchronised bathroom breaks? Temperature/Comfort for playing for that many hours each day?

It's a $600+R tournament. I can't see anywhere near 15K people affording that. Satellites won't be popular either as after the buy-in, people won't be able to afford anymore rebuys. Anyone who can afford $600 plus rebuys and add-ons (let's say $1,800 minimum), is probably going to be the type of person who can afford to buy-in directly on Day 3 when 66% of the field (or something like that get paid) or they will be they type of person who will be in Vegas playing the WSOP as they can afford buy-ins like that. I just can't see it getting more than 2,000 people. If that. I think it's extremely unlikely it will go ahead. Also, players would have to fork out money for travel, accommodation and food which might all come to another 1k-2k anyway just to bust out in the first hour. They might as well take their $4K to Vegas and play 3-4 WSOP events.

What they should have done is tested this out on a much MUCH smaller scale. Test the concept, test the size of the interest, test the software, test the seating logistics and test the structure. It just sounds like an idea Curly, Larry and Mo would come up with.

I also think it's cheeky how the website shows that a couple of thousand of people have registered when really we've been told in this thread that it's just that they've "registered interest". I hope people think and ask around and read forums like these before they sign up. I hope anyone that HAS registered can get their money back easily.
I agree it will not take place, atleast not as they describe. Its only for the reason of trying to get 15,000 poker players willing to travel. You other reasons were discuss and discounted. They don t have toilet problems as the place holds 90,000 for football games and the poker is only trying to draw 30,000.

Rain and wind will not be a problem as the roof can close to cover the seats. The live on field event can place inside if the weather is bad.
$600 for a tournment is not large by any means.

The on again off again guarantee is going to cause problems. IMO, they need to set a min guarantee for the main event. This alone would help atract players so pick a achivable amount say 5-10 million.

The software could be a problem but if they are smart, then they need to have a online poker site to use their software. That way, players can download software in adavance and insure its works.

That set aside, I think they will end up reducing the event to a much more smaller scale.

I saw a 1 hour show on the Stadium and you would not beleive the place. The detail and planning is unbeleiveable. Some day it would be a treat to go there and see the place.

Last edited by DavidNB; 10-05-2012 at 01:05 PM.
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10-05-2012 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
There was a debate on how much power each laptop would require when on full charge* number of players, (30,000) = total load. The total was not that much.
Total power is not the problem. Bussing 15k to 30k separate drop cords From existing transformers is an issue.
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10-05-2012 , 11:33 PM
There'll probably be an extra charge per person for power hookup...say €500 / day. I think that's reasonable.
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10-06-2012 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
Total power is not the problem. Bussing 15k to 30k separate drop cords From existing transformers is an issue.
Its not a problem, they can handle that.
But regardless of that, I can not see this happening not unless they solve other problems. The on again, off again for the guarantee is going to ruin it.
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10-06-2012 , 10:59 AM
Any big name players already registered or going? Will this be a TV event?
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10-06-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DeWald
Will this be a TV event?
The riot when it gets cancelled on the day will prob be on the news.
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10-06-2012 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
Its not a problem, they can handle that.
But regardless of that, I can not see this happening not unless they solve other problems. The on again, off again for the guarantee is going to ruin it.
Sure thing its not a problem until you look at cost of wiring this all up. But oh wait, money isnt a problem for the 30 mil or whatever guarantee already.
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10-06-2012 , 06:53 PM
maybe they'll have a tesla tower with coil receivers for people who need to charge their laptop
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10-06-2012 , 10:04 PM
LOL, just seem that satellites to this are run exclusively on Poker770. That pokerroom is the nut worst.
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10-07-2012 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by davmcg
The riot when it gets cancelled on the day will prob be on the news.
I don't think three people will be able to do much damage to Wembley. It's pretty solid.
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10-07-2012 , 11:41 AM
I for one would like to hear more from the Conjugation Association
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10-07-2012 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
I for one would like to hear more from the Conjugation Association
+1
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10-07-2012 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
Sure thing its not a problem until you look at cost of wiring this all up. But oh wait, money isnt a problem for the 30 mil or whatever guarantee already.
The wiring isn t a problem, most of it is already in place
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10-07-2012 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by UKZodiac
I don't think three people will be able to do much damage to Wembley. It's pretty solid.
3 people //$20mm 'guarantee...sounds like +ev, unless you're interested in actually getting paid, then you're sol
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10-07-2012 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
The wiring isn t a problem, most of it is already in place
Its incredible that you won't give up. Do you see outlets somewhere besides the press sections and handicapped areas?

There aren't enough for 15 to 30 thousand hookups. So you are looking at something temporary.

Besides the hardware costs and skilled labor installation, there would be permits and inspections.

Im done here if you think the maintenance dept at wembley is going to allow mods to existing wiring then go on dreaming.
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10-07-2012 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by grenzen
Its incredible that you won't give up. Do you see outlets somewhere besides the press sections and handicapped areas?

There aren't enough for 15 to 30 thousand hookups. So you are looking at something temporary.

Besides the hardware costs and skilled labor installation, there would be permits and inspections.

Im done here if you think the maintenance dept at wembley is going to allow mods to existing wiring then go on dreaming.
I watched a 1 hour show on wembley and to the paining staking degree they went to in every area when building it. If I hadn't seen the show I would not be sticking up for them. If you search this thread, I beleive I was the first to ask about the power for the laptops.

There is more then existing power going into wembley then needed for the laptops. The only problem they have is getting it to the seating. Yes it would take wiring but not to the degree you think. When they aproached wembley to book the place, they would of settled everything that was required. Anyways, the point is moot because they will not get 30,000 people. I would be surprised if it doesn t get cancelled.

The cost will be too high when everything comes together. The problem with poker tournements is its a players game, the house doesn t really get money back to cover all the costs. Where they make money is drawing people into the Casinos and they end up gambling money in their other games.

Last edited by DavidNB; 10-07-2012 at 04:52 PM.
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10-07-2012 , 05:51 PM
Its now advertised as having 30 side events
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10-07-2012 , 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidNB
I watched a 1 hour show on wembley and to the paining staking degree they went to in every area when building it. If I hadn't seen the show I would not be sticking up for them. If you search this thread, I beleive I was the first to ask about the power for the laptops.

There is more then existing power going into wembley then needed for the laptops. The only problem they have is getting it to the seating. Yes it would take wiring but not to the degree you think. When they aproached wembley to book the place, they would of settled everything that was required. Anyways, the point is moot because they will not get 30,000 people. I would be surprised if it doesn t get cancelled.

The cost will be too high when everything comes together. The problem with poker tournements is its a players game, the house doesn t really get money back to cover all the costs. Where they make money is drawing people into the Casinos and they end up gambling money in their other games.
Not this time. They want to set a world record for the highest rake in history.
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