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07-13-2018 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by OK2ThePrism
No. I haven't seen that in any cardroom in London for many years now.
Good to hear, thanks. (Never liked it, and will be passing thru London next week, likely looking to play low stakes.)
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07-13-2018 , 03:48 PM
The cameras in the casino are there to protect the casino's money, not yours. I had bounty chips stolen from my stack during a break(I moved my chip tray to another table and went on break) at the Venetian. They reviewed the video and said they couldn't see who took them so if I wanted to continue in the tournament then I had to repurchase the stolen chips. I wasn't happy about it but did repurchase the chips(went on to final table). That's when I discovered that video cameras don't cover 100% of the gaming floor.

It's possible that those 2 people were working together. One blocks the camera while the other grabs a few chips off the OP's stack. Perhaps they know the camera placement and can do this.
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07-13-2018 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
The cameras in the casino are there to protect the casino's money, not yours. I had bounty chips stolen from my stack during a break(I moved my chip tray to another table and went on break) at the Venetian. They reviewed the video and said they couldn't see who took them so if I wanted to continue in the tournament then I had to repurchase the stolen chips. I wasn't happy about it but did repurchase the chips(went on to final table). That's when I discovered that video cameras don't cover 100% of the gaming floor.

It's possible that those 2 people were working together. One blocks the camera while the other grabs a few chips off the OP's stack. Perhaps they know the camera placement and can do this.
Repurchase the stolen bounty chips to continue? What the ****? That’s the most outrageous thing I’ve ever heard. I would’ve been livid.
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07-13-2018 , 06:09 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the poker room manager is in on it and gets a % of the days take. Imagine if they did this several times a day......nice little operation. The fact he told you to go ask the players at the craps table yourself is a dead giveaway he's in on it. The last thing they should want you to do is confront them yourself, too mant negative things can happen. I'm 85% sure they including the room manager are a team and milk non regs on a consistent basis. I'd report it to the Nevada Gaming Commission.
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07-13-2018 , 06:14 PM
I'm 99% sure that conspiracy theories in this thread are as valid as beliefs that shuffle machines are rigged.
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07-13-2018 , 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
I'm 99% sure that conspiracy theories in this thread are as valid as beliefs that shuffle machines are rigged.
I would suspect most poker room conspiracies center on hitting jackpots, not lifting a couple of chips off some random visitor.
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07-13-2018 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
Correct. This happened around 1990 at the Flamingo Hilton in Reno. It was early in the AM hours and I was betting $5-50 on two hands with a two deck dealer. There was no shoe. There were very few people in the pit and I was the only one at my table. After an hour or so I had them stuck a little over a grand and they brought in this little Asian (Chinese?) lady. I noticed right away how well she riffled the cards, expertly in her small hands. I was starting each new deck with small bets and when the count got good moving up to $40 or $50 a hand. I wasn't making a killing but it was a winning strategy.

The first time I bet $50 on both hands, she dealt me two pat hands (eighteen or nineteen each) and gave herself a ten up. I faintly heard a very soft sound when she dealt her down card. When it was her turn to act, she slowly looked at the card and lo and behold it was an Ace. I lost $100. A few hands later it came up again. I had two $50 bets and got two pat hands. She also had a ten up. This time I distinctly heard an almost inaudible clicking sound when she dealt her down card. Yep, it was an Ace again. She just smiled at me and took my bets. I was done, still over $900 winner.

When I got up the floorman walked over and asked me sarcastically, "gonna hit and run?" I just smiled back and him and took my chips and cashed out. Later on I talked to a buddy of mine who was a pretty good card mechanic. He said she was probably dealing seconds or possibly even putting the Ace on the bottom. Live and learn. The casinos are not in business to let you win!
This sounds like an excerpt from Mario Puzo's "Fools Die".
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07-13-2018 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
This sounds like an excerpt from "Jane Austin's Mafia!".
...a good gangster-casino movie
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07-13-2018 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
This sounds like an excerpt from "Jane Austen's Mafia!".
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIeFKV8B5gs
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07-13-2018 , 07:41 PM
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I'm 99% sure that conspiracy theories in this thread are as valid as beliefs that shuffle machines are rigged
Certain models can be programmed to reset a setup or shuffle multiple decks into the same order for a duplicate bridge or poker tournament. No I don't think they are rigged.
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07-13-2018 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
This sounds like an excerpt from Mario Puzo's "Fools Die".
I've never read any of his books, but thanks for sharing.
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07-14-2018 , 12:23 PM
The cameras can see everything and 100% they saw the table/chips, but also 100% the floor doesn't give a **** and will lie to end the discussion and get you out the door as fast as possible.
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07-14-2018 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
I would suspect most poker room conspiracies center on hitting jackpots, not lifting a couple of chips off some random visitor.
Clearly you don't understand the financial pressures experienced by the daily opiod user.
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07-14-2018 , 06:32 PM
We were at the Flamingo yesterday afternoon and my brother cashed out 261 in chips and was only given 161. He realized the error about 5-10 minutes later and we went back to the poker room. They reviewed the tapes, confirmed the mistake, and gave him his 100 bucks. They have no reason to lie to you.
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07-14-2018 , 07:20 PM
I'm really surprised by a lot of the opinions on here that it was OP's fault for not guarding his chips, that the casinos don't care etc, and I wonder if those posters have significant live experience.

In my experience chips left on a casino poker table are safer than money in an on-line bank account. I never hesitate to leave the table for half an hour or more, and have never lost chips in this way.

Casinos have a very big incentive to keep their reputation for integrity, and I have never encountered the "don't give a damn" attitude that some referred to.

If I had OP's experience, I would probably blame my memory before I would assume the casino were telling me lies.
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07-14-2018 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
I've never read any of his books, but thanks for sharing.
If you're going to read one, for my money Fool's Die is his best. I'm especially fond of the bit where Mr Darcy takes his shirt off and swims through the fountains at the Bellagio.
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07-14-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
We were at the Flamingo yesterday afternoon and my brother cashed out 261 in chips and was only given 161. He realized the error about 5-10 minutes later and we went back to the poker room. They reviewed the tapes, confirmed the mistake, and gave him his 100 bucks. They have no reason to lie to you.
Op's situation requires they take a loss yours doesn't.
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07-15-2018 , 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
yeah, that $100 is gone. It's your responsibility to protect your chips. Why anyone would leave the table for longer than a bathroom break is beyond me.
This is ridiculous it only takes two seconds to steal chips and im pretty sure a bathroom break takes longer than that. Five minute bathroom break or 30 minute dinner break both are long enough to steal chips so if its your job to protect your chips should you carry a colostomy bag while playing?

Never had my chips stolen (that im aware) but did jam the river in a cash game and my opponent refused to pay out claiming he didn't call. He got banned and the casino made me whole.

Question according to the floor they saw nothing on the cameras. Assuming they saw someone lean over and steal chips and that guy has disappeared would the casino make you whole then?
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07-16-2018 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Rimlog
In my experience chips left on a casino poker table are safer than money in an on-line bank account. I never hesitate to leave the table for half an hour or more, and have never lost chips in this way.
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07-16-2018 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bpb
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Not enough has
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07-16-2018 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
I was playing at a major casino earlier this year. The 2/5 list had 20 names on it or whatever, 5 tables going. Next to some player's names they have [....] to indicate higher card status, cut the line, etc.

But one player had [xx only] next to his name, indicating he only wanted to play at a specific table number. Within 30 minutes of him sitting, they hit the bad beat jackpot at that table, six figures. I didn't see if he was involved in the hand or not, but pretty suspicious.
Seems standard to me, why would this be suspicious?
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07-17-2018 , 04:55 AM
Almost exact same thing happend to me years ago
There was a guy watching our cashgame which was short handed at the time
He kept sitting and looking but did not play
I went to take a quick break and when I came back I immidiently spotted 100$ was missing out of my stack. 4 green chips also. I informed the floor to which the room manager replied that I was wrong. And I must of made a "mistake"
I told him I'm 100% sure. I don't care about the 100%. It's more of a principle for me. He said he will call and get them to review the tapes. Some time goes by and I ask him if they have. He says they have t yet. I ask him again a little while later and he told me they looked at the tapes and didn't see anyone stealing chips out of my stack. I kept my eye on him and he never talked to anyone or on the phone he just gave me a rude bs answer. The casino does not give a damn about a players money. Unless it's theirs. I was fairly pissed off at their response and how they treated me when it came to it. And it's sad to see none of the players support this man or his story saying he must be wrong. I assume the guy that was lurking around the table might have swiped that 100$ bc he was gone when I returned. Since it was only 100$ I didn't care too much to look into it further. I been playing cash games almost daily for 12+ years and this is the only times I had money stolen off a table. And I feel safe to keep big chips and stacks still at tables without a worry.
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07-17-2018 , 11:16 AM
Ok, to get something educational out of the unfortunate experience had by OP.

1) do all casinos offer “play over” covers for players taking a break? If you ask, will they provide one? Is this safe enough for smallish amounts of money?

2) do casinos allow you to remove some large chips and replace them when you return? This seems problematic and could lead to going south or just more confusuon.

3) what do the grinders do? What if the table is juicy and there is a long wait list? How do you protect your chips and retain your place?

4) is getting chips stolen a frequent occurrence, as in several times in a week at a busy casino, the floor will be dealing with this complaint?

5) who is liable? Can we get some clarity on that one?

Thank you
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07-17-2018 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by robert_utk
Ok, to get something educational out of the unfortunate experience had by OP.

1) do all casinos offer “play over” covers for players taking a break? If you ask, will they provide one? Is this safe enough for smallish amounts of money?

2) do casinos allow you to remove some large chips and replace them when you return? This seems problematic and could lead to going south or just more confusuon.

3) what do the grinders do? What if the table is juicy and there is a long wait list? How do you protect your chips and retain your place?

4) is getting chips stolen a frequent occurrence, as in several times in a week at a busy casino, the floor will be dealing with this complaint?

5) who is liable? Can we get some clarity on that one?

Thank you
How can a casino be liable when one player steals from another? Their employees have enough to watch without keeping up with player money. They should want to review the tape and see if there was a theft in order to 86 the offending party, but I cant believe they have a duty to protect funds that aren't deposited with the casino.

If they were liable in such cases, they'd put a play over box down everytime a player left the table.

I'm not speaking as an expert, and would generally believe Mason here, but it doesn't sound very plausible to me.
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07-17-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by illdonk
”While we pretend to check the footage, why don’t you head to the craps table and start accusing people of stealing from you? Maybe it will work itself out.”
This needs more love
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