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Old 07-11-2018, 09:24 PM   #26
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Re: Incident at Flamingo 1/1 PLO

I hope you used much better grammar and punctuation in your actual letter than you did in your OP.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:24 PM   #27
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Typically when I go to eat, I ask for a play over box to cover my chips.
Poker room manager said, and I quote, "I have good news and I have bad news.. good news is we're looking at the footage, bad news is even if money was stolen off your stack we can't be liable for the chips... If we were responsible for your chips we'd have players use covers for their stacks when they go to take a break."
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:31 PM   #28
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I hope you used much better grammar and punctuation in your actual letter than you did in your OP.
That was the exact email... I'm not an English major and I'm emailing and posting from my phone while at the table trying to solve an issue... if better punctuation would get me my money back I would've taken more time with it or if punctuation reflects the level of my concern here I'd do the same... punctuation is besides the point!
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:35 PM   #29
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probably should have been in bed sleeping

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I played a hand as you,fish suked out sorry bout that

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settle down..dude was tired nobody stole his chips..not thread worthy

I don't want to see you in this thread anymore. Go away.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:42 PM   #30
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where I play people routinely time there departure, usually to eat, so they have the max time away without being picked up (about 1.25 hours)
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:42 PM   #31
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OP

I didn't read the following but I believe this is a similar situation as yours.
You may find it of interest.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...d-loss-954681/
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:44 PM   #32
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Poker room manager said, and I quote, "I have good news and I have bad news.. good news is we're looking at the footage, bad news is even if money was stolen off your stack we can't be liable for the chips... If we were responsible for your chips we'd have players use covers for their stacks when they go to take a break."
What the poker room manager said to you is flat out wrong. However, they have to have proof that your chips were stolen. So if the film shows that, you should get your money back. But, and here's the problem, it doesn't mean the camera was pointed at your table, or even if it was at your table, it doesn't mean they can see your chip stack. But if it's clear that chips were taken from your stack, then the poker room is responsible, and this person should know that.

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Old 07-11-2018, 10:27 PM   #33
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Thanks Mason ^

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OP

I didn't read the following but I believe this is a similar situation as yours.
You may find it of interest.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...d-loss-954681/
Thank you
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:44 PM   #34
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mbickford@ceasers.com
sorry email undeliverable
try xxx@cAEsars.com

And Mason is right contact NGC they will respond quickly. From what I understand as I have seen it happen at Bellagio the casino is NOT responsible for chips you left unattended at table.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:20 PM   #35
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mbickford@ceasers.com
sorry email undeliverable
try xxx@cAEsars.com

And Mason is right contact NGC they will respond quickly. From what I understand as I have seen it happen at Bellagio the casino is NOT responsible for chips you left unattended at table.
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I spelled it wrong in OP but I did spell it correctly in the email I sent. As already mentioned ITT my punctuation is not always precise.

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Old 07-11-2018, 11:36 PM   #36
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A little ea going on on that email rather than ae. Romans, geez.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:52 PM   #37
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not saying they did or didnt steal $100 but the last thing a sane person would do is stay in a casino that they stole from someone at
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:05 AM   #38
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in which I was told by Aaron to go look for the players in question that they were playing craps and to try to retrieve the money for them

"Retrieve the money". A little street justice at The Flamingo. Great advice Aaron. lol.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:07 AM   #39
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not saying they did or didnt steal $100 but the last thing a sane person would do is stay in a casino that they stole from someone at
I guess you've never seen those Dumb Criminals videos.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:17 AM   #40
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Posting a copy of the email I sent this afternoon to mbickford@ceasers.com

My name is Andrew Everett and I'm requesting that an instance that took place at the Flamingo Casino gets further review.

On the morning of July 11th between the hours of 3am and 5am I was playing in the 1/1 PLO game that has been running regularly during the series. Leading up to the incident I had been playing 2/4 limit holdem that day as well as 1/2 no limit while waiting for the PLO game to start. It's my first time in Vegas and have been at the Flamingo on somewhat of a regular basis mostly playing the PLO games.

On this particular night I had lost some money before the PLO game started and started winning once PLO got going. I had around $500 in my stack before I decided to take a break around 3:30am. I'm not 100% sure about the exact time but I know it was between 3am & 4am maybe slightly after 4... Either way I was away from the table for approximately 30 minutes... When I returned I continued playing as everything was normal and got involved in a pot where I went all in on the turn for around $375... After I won the pot I stacked the chips and immediately noticed something was wrong... I now had 4 green chips worth $25 each instead of the 8 green chips that I had when I took a break... My suspicion is that the $100 in 4 green chips was stolen from my stack from 1 of 3 players who were at the table... A female who was on my left in seat 6, a male on my right in seat 4 or a different male who was in seat 3, they all seemed to be friends and I had never met them prior to this night but they seemed like trouble.

I immediately brought this issue up to the dealer at the time and the poker room supervisor at the time who's name is Aaron... Aaron then claimed to contact security to look at the cameras in which I was waiting for the review of footage... in the mean time he told me he had contacted someone that would help him with some sort of ruling on the issue in which I was told by Aaron to go look for the players in question that they were playing craps and to try to retrieve the money for them while waiting for footage... I did not comply with searching for the players as this seems like by far the most unprofessional thing to do... I waited for him to watch the footage and he relayed to me that I did not have 8 green chips that I only had 4 that he doesn't know if I lost them in a pot previously or if I miscounted my chips and that I couldn't watch any of the footage... I asked if we could look at the footage leading up to this and that if I wanted further review I would have to contact his supervisor and that is why I am now emailing you...

Obviously this is a huge issue. Leading up to this incident I would never feel the need to stay at the table in a means to protect my chips in a regulated casino with cameras watching players every move. To say that the casino is not reliable for such an incident totally goes against the integrity of the games being offered and the establishment as a whole. People come from all around the world to enjoy themselves at Vegas casinos and if they don't feel protected in incidents such as this then what is the point of such establishments being offered.

I will be in Vegas for another month and await your response.

Regards,

Andrew Everett
Andrew, you just learned a cheap lesson. ANYTIME you are gambling ANYWHERE you have to look out for yourself! I have seen it all in my lifetime and you absolutely can get ripped off in a casino, even a big one. I've been cold decked, shorted when cashing out, had a bust out dealer brought in when I was card counting at 21, and been the recipient of some of the worst hometown decisions ever. Be on your guard at all times! That's the best advice i can give you.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:32 AM   #41
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not saying they did or didnt steal $100 but the last thing a sane person would do is stay in a casino that they stole from someone at
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I guess you've never seen those Dumb Criminals videos.
Who said they stayed in the casino? I remember, while having a cigarette near the poker room (15 feet away) after taking a break and before I went to sit back down to play, seeing the male and female in question walking around together near the table games area, not really thinking much of the two, I looked back and they were gone. I sat back down to play and within 5-10 minutes of dragging the next pot I was involved in, which was an all in, that something was wrong. I informed the dealer immediately, I said something along the lines of, "I know I had 8 green chips before I went on break and I don't see 8 green chips now"... thinking they got misplaced in the pot in some way, in which he replied that he wasn't sure and that I needed to talk to Aaron... A player in seat 1 said, "I thought I remember you having 8 greens and that it looked wrong."

As far as I know once they seen me they made a point to gtfo after they played craps with my hundred...

After talking to Aaron briefly he said to wait around for a little while that he was going to make some calls... He then gave me the good news bad news scenario and said to wait longer for the cameras to be checked.. He then claimed to watch the footage and claimed to be 100% certain that I only had 4 green chips in my stack... I said to him can we back up the footage and watch the whole scenario play out because I'm 100% certain that I had 8 green chips in my stack at some point... He then said he can't let me see the footage and that I'd have to contact the email I provided ITT for further review and that it might take a while to review and that even if they find that someone took my chips that all they can do is ban them and not return the money...

Sorry if I'm repeating myself in some spots here but this situation is a little bit frustrating... I'm a good person and I want what is right...

Anyways, I'm getting ready to file the complaint to the gaming commission...
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:36 AM   #42
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Andrew, you just learned a cheap lesson. ANYTIME you are gambling ANYWHERE you have to look out for yourself! I have seen it all in my lifetime and you absolutely can get ripped off in a casino, even a big one. I've been cold decked, shorted when cashing out, had a bust out dealer brought in when I was card counting at 21, and been the recipient of some of the worst hometown decisions ever. Be on your guard at all times! That's the best advice i can give you.
I agree and am viewing it in that way while also doing what is right which is one making this public and two not rolling over like a #$%@! about it...

Trust no one and watch your back at all times when gambling...

Learn the hard way at an affordable rate & I'll survive...

The thieving happening is one thing and the way it's been handled thus far is another thing...
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:41 AM   #43
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You should contact The Nevada Gambling Commission at:

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=3

Then under "I Want to ..." click on "File an Interactive (Online) Gaming Complaint" and take it from there.

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Not sure if you directed me correctly Mason...

Here all I see to select is wsop.com or realgaming.com

Perhaps I'm not in the loop here...
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:46 AM   #44
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Not sure if you directed me correctly Mason...

Here all I see to select is wsop.com or realgaming.com

Perhaps I'm not in the loop here...
Mason's link works for me.

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=3

Nevada Gaming Commission.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:16 AM   #45
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Make it a habit to take pics of your stacks on breaks. Tourneys or cash. Mistakes and scummy things happen all the time. Need to protect yourself and always have some sort of proof. It only takes 1 second.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:27 AM   #46
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You should contact The Nevada Gambling Commission at:

http://gaming.nv.gov/index.aspx?page=3

Then under "I Want to ..." click on "File an Interactive (Online) Gaming Complaint" and take it from there.

Best wishes,
Mason
I did not read thru the thread, but I don't think this incident was "Interactive (Online).
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:19 AM   #47
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This is complete bull crap and the casino should definitely be held responsible....its super fishy that they will not allow him to review the footage (obviously there is something to hide)...why would anyone want to play poker at a casino where there chips are not protected? Makes no sense and I hope this gets solved Andrew, you are a good guy!
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:20 AM   #48
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When you sat back down, how did you not notice you were 4 green short if they were on the top of your stack?
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:57 AM   #49
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When you sat back down, how did you not notice you were 4 green short if they were on the top of your stack?
Well... I was tired, it was around 4am and had been playing since noon the day before. With that said one could easily argue that I miscounted my chips but I know I had 8 greens... I remember winning them and remember shuffling them around... when I came back to continue my session no where in my mind was I weary of chips being stolen so I continued playing as if everything was as I left it... the mind can play tricks on us in that sort of way sometimes... again the same argument can be made for the other side that I never had 8 greens or that I lost the missing 4 in a hand but again I know what I had and realized in within minutes of continuing the session.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:07 AM   #50
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On this particular night I had lost some money before the PLO game started and started winning once PLO got going. I had around $500 in my stack before I decided to take a break around 3:30am. I'm not 100% sure about the exact time but I know it was between 3am & 4am maybe slightly after 4... Either way I was away from the table for approximately 30 minutes... When I returned I continued playing as everything was normal and got involved in a pot where I went all in on the turn for around $375... After I won the pot I stacked the chips and immediately noticed something was wrong... I now had 4 green chips worth $25 each instead of the 8 green chips that I had when I took a break... My suspicion is that the $100 in 4 green chips was stolen from my stack from 1 of 3 players who were at the table... A female who was on my left in seat 6, a male on my right in seat 4 or a different male who was in seat 3, they all seemed to be friends and I had never met them prior to this night but they seemed like trouble.
If you are playing PLO and you went all-in on the turn for around $375, then it is more likely you began the hand with around $500 instead of $400. Did you play many hands before the hand in question? You say that it was 5-10 minutes, which in some PLO games might be 2-3 hands. Had you won more money after returning from your break? How much did your stack fluctuate?

How many dealers were at your table after returning from your break? If more than one, is it possible that the previous one exchanged four greens for a stack of red to tidy up the rack? Or could that have happened just before you took a break? Are you sure that you had eight green chips right before you left, or just that you had eight green chips at some point before you left? Are there normally greens in the rack at the Flamingo?

I have been at a table (in a different state) where chips were stolen from a player. I was told that even if it was a matter that went to some sort of trial, the evidence would be presented as photos and not video, as no one gets to watch that. So, I am not surprised that they refused to let you see any footage.

My habit is to break down my chips at regular intervals, so that there is a clear record of how much I have, if cameras are recording. I make certain to do this before I leave the table for any reason. I always count my money when I'm sittin' at the table.
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