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Old 12-06-2007, 01:47 PM   #1
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Illegal and Legal Ghosting

If a rule cannot be enforced, is it really a rule?

If others break a rule and cannot be required to follow the rule, should you be required to follow the rule, if you are therefore put at a disadvantage?

Here is the scenario: Fifteen players start the Sunday Million in the same house using the same wireless connection. A decision has been made in advance which players will play after the 4th break; they just move to the laptops still in play. At hour six our local "pro" takes over. He does not play early and is therefore rested. He is our deep stack specialist and yes we have a ghost for him in later stages of the tournament as needed.

Since this cannot be monitored or investigated, the rules cannot be applied.

Sure it's immoral perhaps but since it is happening all the time, why not deal with the reality instead of the high moral unenforceable position the online sites are taking?

The reality being: Any number of players may share an account online during a single tournament. That is the reality so why all the posturing that it is something else?

[Submitted from a non-local internet connection. Another latte please.]

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Old 12-06-2007, 04:08 PM   #2
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

dude, your post sucks a lot man. sorry.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:13 PM   #3
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dude, your post sucks a lot man. sorry.
No it doesn't... the scenario he paints is happening all over the place - I know of 3 shared houses/apartments where this happens.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:38 PM   #4
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

It's cheating those who are doing it are pussies. Another reason I prefer live geekdom.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:51 PM   #5
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

If a city's police force quits, would that make crime there a "reality".

BTW all those wi-fi users you're speaking of in 1 house all have the same external IP address.

A 1 IP address/player would be the easiest thing in the world to enforce, assuming that's a rule.
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Old 12-06-2007, 04:54 PM   #6
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

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Sure it's immoral perhaps but since it is happening all the time, why not deal with the reality instead of the high moral unenforceable position the online sites are taking?
since i'm sure you know that "dealing with the reality" is not an actual plan, and since you took the time to write this post, i'm sure you already have alternate plans of action for the sites, so please share what those are.
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Old 12-06-2007, 05:28 PM   #7
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No it doesn't... the scenario he paints is happening all over the place - I know of 3 shared houses/apartments where this happens.
thats why it sucks. pointless thinking.
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:11 PM   #8
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

Sounds like OP is just looking for justification for an unethical act.
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Old 12-06-2007, 08:18 PM   #9
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Don't even worry.
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Old 12-06-2007, 09:14 PM   #10
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I approve of this ghost-related thread
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Old 12-06-2007, 09:17 PM   #11
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We dont care, lets stick to cash games?
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Old 12-06-2007, 10:17 PM   #12
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

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BTW all those wi-fi users you're speaking of in 1 house all have the same external IP address.

A 1 IP address/player would be the easiest thing in the world to enforce, assuming that's a rule.
It'd be very easy to put in place multiple internet connections or to use cellular modems.
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Old 12-06-2007, 11:04 PM   #13
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

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If a rule cannot be enforced, is it really a rule?
[Submitted from a non-local internet connection. Another latte please.]
If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?

If it is against the rules...it's um...against the rules. Voulgaris had some interesting comments about ghosting on this weeks Big Poker Sundays.

↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → B A B A SELECT START.

In other words...It's Cheating
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:36 AM   #14
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

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BTW all those wi-fi users you're speaking of in 1 house all have the same external IP address.

A 1 IP address/player would be the easiest thing in the world to enforce, assuming that's a rule.
Why wouldn't the sites only allow 1 IP address per tourney. I should be able to play from multiple IP's as I move from home to work to anothers house.
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Old 12-07-2007, 11:06 AM   #15
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Why wouldn't the sites only allow 1 IP address per tourney. I should be able to play from multiple IP's as I move from home to work to anothers house.
I was only talking about multiple users in house using an IP address for same tourney. If you logged off/logged in with another IP the rule would still be intact, unless someone at your work or this other's house is in that tourney.

As for the players that might use this excuse when investigated, it's easy to pinpoint their location given their IP,and not many of these top tourney people will live near the lucky person who got deep.

I guess Chris Vaughn tried that with full tilt and realized that lie didn't work, on to the next one.
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CV: No, no no, what initially happened was I guess everyone in the half the field in the tournament had gotten disconnected at some point. I had started to lag, I guess is what they call it, a little bit. Which means, I wasn't timing out, but I was freezing a little bit, and I work like five minutes, literally from where I live. And so I was considering driving down to work. I'm more comfortable playing there, I play at work a lot most of the time, on Sundays, and I was considering playing there and , he [Sorel] was one of the people that I would trust to play while I did it. And, you know we were on instant messenger and I sent him a message and, it pretty quickly led to a discussion about selling the account rather than just letting him play for a few minutes. The reason I sold the account had nothing to do with my connection. The reason I initially contacted him probably more so had to do with connection, but selling the account was completely a financial decision and was in no way anything else.
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Old 12-07-2007, 06:20 PM   #16
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

stopped reading when you said the deep-stack specialist is coming in after hour 6
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Old 12-15-2007, 05:57 PM   #17
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

Do we know of any internet pros that do this or is this just a made up situation?
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Old 12-15-2007, 07:56 PM   #18
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stopped reading when you said the deep-stack specialist is coming in after hour 6
Yea, wtf?
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:40 PM   #19
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stopped reading when you said the deep-stack specialist is coming in after hour 6
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:46 PM   #20
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

To the OP, cheating is cheating. No matter how many people may or may not do it.
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Old 12-15-2007, 10:56 PM   #21
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Re: Illegal and Legal Ghosting

The situation he's describing COMES WITH THE TERRITORY OF ONLINE POKER. If you don't like that it's happening, then DON'T PLAY. I have never received ghosting advice and I have made over 6 digits from starting with basically nothing by playing online poker.

The general vibe I get from the forums on twoplustwo and pocketfives is that the people most concerned about this issue are low-limit losing players who are looking for an excuse as to why they can't rake in big $.

Basically what I'm saying is this. If you are good enough at poker, you will win and not worry about "ghosting".
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