Dayum, I just got owned by a guy who calls himself LOLOL w/ his expert analysis right here. I'm not as skilled as I thought I was

name them

Just so we're clear, I'm not trying to keep this thread artificially buoyant w/ my own replies; but I will address a direct challenge

But just so you & I are in the same page, bro - you understand that you're asking me to name the characters in my own world that I am building, as a way to challenge the legitimacy of my perspective on things. So, I can literally give any nonsensical answer to satisfy your inquiry. Rite. So we're clear on that. & I instantly had a quip reply in mind, but instead opted for this response, because I'm not sure we are in the same page right here. Have a good night

Mental illness.

World-building is an established practice in the art world, as is writing &/or acting "in character" in public. Both of which I have chosen to implement in this thread for the ppl that find the discussion of applying these strats in the poker sphere interesting. & my work has been acknowledged by top minds across multiple industries.

So take your OOL gaslighting attempts somewhere else, or better yet, get a new hobby, because seeing you take little stabs at ppl w/ a clear agenda to attack ppl out of malice raises some genuine concerns about your mental health. Get lost

The poker boom was tv generated, and it sold the dream that anyone can have fun and become rich playing poker.

So for poker to become big again it will need to be on tv again to share that dream, and for tv to turn the players into characters that viewers are entertained by, or relate with.

It is a chicken and egg situation, televised poker has low views, so not many shows are made these days, so televised poker keeps having low views.

Maybe they could do some shows with celebrities and pros, with the celebrities starting off with extra chips to try to make up for their comparative inexperience, as then casual viewers may turn on to watch people they already know. That would solve the problem of all these dull faceless anonymous winning robot players who think it is a crime to show personality at the table.

Or just coach some famous people.

Banning shades and headphones at the table would also be a smart move.

To bluntly answer the OP's silly question: Most people are idiots, and mainstream culture is geared towards most people. Therefore, we wouldn't expect people who aren't idiots to embrace or be embraced by it.

Were The Beatles idiots? Beethoven? What about somebody like Albert Einstein, who permanently occupies a piece of pop culture in everybody's minds. Was he an idiot? If you're in the business of drawing👀, wouldn't, you know, a strategy to draw the most👀possible be like, you know, "GTO"? Whose insights did you say were silly again? I forget

A ton of people realized they suck at poker long before now.

Still trying to resolve how someone goes from JudgeHoldem's post above to the reply below.

Were the Beatles idiots? No. Beethoven? No. Einstein? No. And nothing about JH's post suggests remotely this.

The Beatles, Beethoven and Einstein were quite brilliant (as most people agree) because they knew how to best reach the mainstream crowd, most of which are idiots. Thus, the audience, the recipients, the huddled masses – those are the ones who JH called idiots. Not the senders.

Re: ^

That poster's premise is that all mainstream culture is trash for dumb ppl. So my response asks: why not consider designing something brilliant that would achieve the same effect? & I listed some examples. & I spit on the ball a little bit because he's throwing accusations of being silly around. That's all.

I mean, I'm just chilling in my little space allotted to me in this community, where I'm demonstrating the depth of the program I've developed over 20+ years, across persona + the product to back it all up. Know what I mean? It would crush. Thanks for the interaction

Every poker site has tried for years. The world is made up of ******s, that's why tennis and football pro are now ambassadors. Online needs permanent injection of new cash, the poker dream is often short lived.

The reason it dried up is because the market got split (thus multiplying expenses), the competition got lower (after the boom, there is almost nobody left) and the game tougher.

On the other hand underground games are thriving.Why should we give a **** about your 0.25/0.50 games?

With 20+years experience, I am sure you know this already. Yet, you don't offer any reasonable solutions, you just argue about bs. This thread, just by its title, shows how low you sunk. Have a good look at yourself before looking for the straw in someone elses' eye.

PS: Looking at your history, I see that you've done nothing for the community except for being an annoying fandboy in the last 5 years. On a sad scale out of 10, I'd grade it a 10. On the hypocrite scale, I don"t even know how to go above, but i don't see myself going lower. Overall, it's a hospital mocking the charity kinda case. Crawl back in your hole and come back for the next high stakes fight to give your precious insight.

PPS: Anybody talking about "gas-lighting" is a ****ing nutcase. You should look into gang stalking, I am sure it would be a great fit.

This is a good response. I like this. I can tell you really stand for something & you're not pulling your punches here

The thread title I can justify by the hidden implication that I am as great of a character at the table as The Pokerbrat, whose charisma drew me into the game originally 15 years ago. & if he can be allowed to talk some trash, then so can I

The actual premise of this thread is my suggestion that the poker community allows itself to be used as a "backdrop"/setting", where you could launch a verifiable superstar entertainment pop music act & reap some serious benefits in so doing. The ceiling of such a feat is that you could possibly create another "boom" - at least, you'd draw an absurd amount of attention to the community & game, & I even have a hand-crafted reality show concept designed to massively appeal to casual viewers to gift to you - & that is besides the value of the main attraction.

Whether anybody thinks it's nonsense or if I know exactly what I'm taking about is up to them. But that's what I'm up to here. Thanks for your comment🥂& I wouldn't say that Tom Brady "sunk" into the 6th round, but instead suggest that he was misunderstood/overlooked. But the guys that drafted him made the best pick of their lives. Just like he told em when he looked em right in the eye after they scooped em up🎩

^nah you edited it to inject some nonsense now��boo. This thread ain't the place to project how bad your day was or whatever. Alright hope tomorrow is better for you bro

If I get it correctly, you're advocating for what many tried to do over and over already. And failed. Nowadays, it's all about small injections from different markets (mainly sport betting). Sponsors are only there for a year or two, to be recognized on TV and give some press to the room. And it works better than grinders to attract new players. Just not good enough. The days where a superstar could be born out of poker are behind us, it's just not possible anymore without taking the glamour out of it. Nobody is getting hard at the sound of PIO solvers and such.

Regarding my edits, I might have been a bit harsh. But I still stand behind the fact that it was pretty much what you were calling for with your title and narrative.

It's late, so my apologies if I misjudged your intentions, but still felt like an unjustified attack without much backing.

My guy, I'm saying promote whatever poker games you guys wanna do around the greatest rock band in the world. W/ an orchestra & choir & horns. Launching a brand new artist. Where the actual main draw on the DL is the music. But we can be clever & not promote it that way. & give poker the main billing. To start with. & such a concept has never been conceived, much less attempted. & if it's executed correctly, it would crush pop culture. Is my assertion. & if anybody thinks this is just abject nonsense, I then have the fallback position of claiming to just be playing a character who would be interesting to watch play. + 100 other aspects to this "entertainment super system". Etc. Alright. Cheers��

I see your point, but I think we've tried it all already. The issue is not as much about promoting the game as much as making it last. People are mostly not super clever, but they know when they can't win after some time. That's the issue.

When there was a war between rooms it was heaven, because so much money was dumped in marketing and promos. Nowadays, we try to focus on niche markets we know will bring some cash in. What we need is not the general public, we tried it already, they are not coming back for the most part. If anything, Twitch is actually targeting this very market with younger audiences. Aside from this, close equity games such as Spin and Go have been the answer...

Even in my own live games I see the same. We try to get pit players, K1 fighters, footballers, directors. We don't try to get the random dude in. We want someone who is already immersed into a competitive environment and has the means/will to gamble.

It's not ideal, but it's sadly the best we can do atm.

No matter the way you promote the game, you always run into the same hurdle. There is so long people can go on losing money. Which they will. And online, there is no way to lie to yourself, deposit and withdraw is as straight as you can go.

Good points

But look. I propose that if you designed a program that specifically appealed to casuals. & what that means is like a game show where any random can get on the show to play on camera & have fun. & you got the band on deck low-key being the main draw. While these casuals can play loose & are encouraged to be intriguing characters in a fun game. Or be roasted if they suck &/or are boring. If that's executed properly, then that's not just good for poker. That's a hit show period. You showcase the personalities & do some storytelling. I got it all mapped out. & it'd crush. & nobody's tried it. But ok that's enough for now. Thanks for the comments

Evenin' all🎩,

The guy's right when he says that. Casual viewers don't want to watch nerds w/ the charisma of a desktop that are "so smart". They want compelling characters presented thru world-class storytelling techniques. Then they'll be glued

Btw, if anybody hasn't seen this: https://youtu.be/vCPaI8Pqyg8 <in the first 2 minutes one of my cartoon music video advertisements I produced to promote your community is launched, pushing that platinum brand as a "Saturday Morning Cartoon". & the jingle is platinum. That kind of move opens up a whole world of possibilities for you

So, I'm following that up w/ another cartoon music vid that presents a "variety game show concept" that would be a surefire #1 - I mean in all of pop culture - if it was produced & financed properly. It's going thru back channels on the DL, so you won't see it, at all, at first

Mainstream pop supremacy, ladies & gentlemen, & X. It's yours for the taking. If you recognize when you see it (but it won't at all be what you expect). & don't worry about anything I've ever tweeted or posted. Who cares? This is the nuts. So I'll get a pass on all that. &, I've worked in a system where any singular person (or team) will have an opportunity to make a huge splash as part of the whole deal. You'll see. So there's no purpose in tryina make any kinda run at me, etc. Cuz I've thought of everything👍& everybody will win💲💲💲💲

Ok, so there you go. Tyvm, & stay tuned🥂🎩

I love things that I won't see at first, or at all. This is a two top hat post.

Well, I didn't you'll *never* see it. Be fair. I rate your comment 3 top hats🎩🎩🎩which puts you ahead of the game when we're doing casting calls🥂🎸🎶🎶