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If they can do it for Porn, why not Poker? If they can do it for Porn, why not Poker?

03-08-2019 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
Haven't heard of a single documented case of an underaged player on legal licensed online poker in the US.
Now you have
https://www.igamingbusiness.com/news...ing-new-jersey
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03-08-2019 , 08:33 AM
I know its Stars and not the US, but this thread reminded of this pretty brutal bad beat.

https://www.pokernewsdaily.com/poker...nderage-18333/
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03-08-2019 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
Haven't heard of a single documented case of an underaged player on legal licensed online poker in the US.
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Originally Posted by Domingo Cerrado
From your link:

"The regulator said the minors were able to gain access due to a defect in RSI’s software that did not accurately record customers’ birth dates. The software allowed for a three-year variation rather than requesting a specific date. RSI said it was not aware of this fault until January 2018 and has now fixed the issue."
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Ok, the glitch is fixed and RSI gets a 30,000 fine. On a similar note, if a teenager wants to get cigarettes or alcohol bad enough they're going to it, but we don't outlaw sale of those items. But the security measures (like those starting April 1 in the UK) will only improve over time and most likely stop the vast majority of the underage.
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03-08-2019 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
How dare they look out for minors!
On one hand anything that limits exposure to porn is more than welcome, but government censorship is a serious issue.
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03-09-2019 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
If that excuse {underage gambling} had never been invented we still wouldn’t have online poker. Sheldon Adelson and his ilk really don’t care about that as you know.
Well he acts like he cares if you take him at his word in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKDV4MolsWw

So if there can be a successful system to control underage gambling, Adelson and others wouldn't be able to use that excuse in interviews.

The UK's large scale age verification system begins April 1. We'll see how successful that is in the coming months.
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03-09-2019 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Well he acts like he cares if you take him at his word in this interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKDV4MolsWw...
No he doesn't ....Adelson does NOT care what you or I think at all because unlike you or anyone else, he has

"the authority and bonafides to recommend to the government that this [online access] is not the right way to encourage people to gamble".....

Sheldon wants only rich people to enjoy gambling as entertainment:

" they're too poor to visit casinos" ,online exploits too many people who should not do it,

Gaming is a form of entertainment, Sheldon is willing to spend whatever it takes to stop "unfortunate people" from gambling.

"That's not my market ...."
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03-09-2019 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
How dare they look out for minors!
Don´t know if serious or that you don´t understand the slippery slope in government censorship.
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03-09-2019 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
I didn't know about that porn ban. What the **** happened to our world. People there actually let the government get away with stuff like that?
What do you mean "people there?" What about the things people here let the government get away with? I'd consider all existing governments enemies of freedom.
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03-10-2019 , 11:27 AM
A society having age restricted products is not a bad thing.
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03-10-2019 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
Haven't heard of a single documented case of an underaged player on legal licensed online poker in the US.
Hahaha. Are you seriously this naive?

It was standard during the boom years. If your threshold for 'documentation' is a prosecution or the like, no, I doubt that has happened, but I'm sure if we took a poll of people under the age of 25 on this site, right now, we would have no problem finding metric ****loads of people who played underage.

It was commonly mentioned in a ton of articles in poker media during peak years... how so and so started playing in high school but was 'technically underage' so something-something-something "but now he's old enough and..."
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03-10-2019 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Don´t know if serious or that you don´t understand the slippery slope in government censorship.
I don't think you understand the role of governance in maintaining civilization.

Slippery Slopes are very real, but there's a reason why citing 'slippery slope' can also be a fallacy. All laws are based on 'compelling government interest'. There's no shortage of case law establishing a compelling government interest in preventing children from engaging in certain things.

We can argue whether or not poker is such a thing but there's no doubt at all they have the authority to regulate it, if they please, even if it angers 2+2
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03-10-2019 , 12:04 PM
My point is that regulation should not interfere with peoples values whenever possible. In the case of poker you have possible financial damages as well as the risk of addiction. On the other hand, who are they to determine who can watch porn or not. I feel like it's only lazy and relitard parents that are happy with this.
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03-10-2019 , 02:01 PM
Read the title as "If they can do porn, why not poker?" and thought it was going to be a #learnto3bet article
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03-10-2019 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
On the other hand, who are they to determine who can watch porn or not.
They're the elected representatives of society at large, who get to call the balls and strikes on exactly those things based on the values of that same society and how those values relate to the law.

All laws are a push and pull between interests, there will always be a loser who has their interests squashed (or at least attenuated) in an attempt to achieve the social-engineering objectives laws exist to facilitate.
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03-10-2019 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Star Wolf 64
Read the title as "If they can do porn, why not poker?" and thought it was going to be a #learnto3bet article
OTOH, doin' porn comes naturally, per John Prine,

"Small town, bright lights, saturday night,
Pinballs and pool halls flashing their lights.
Making change behind the counter in a penny arcade
Sat the fat girl daughter of virginia and ray
Lydia

Lydia hid her thoughts like a cat
Behind her small eyes sunk deep in her fat.
She read romance magazines up in her room
And felt just like sunday on saturday afternoon.

But dreaming just comes natural
Like the first breath from a baby,
Like sunshine feeding daisies,
Like the love hidden deep in your heart.

Bunk beds, shaved heads, saturday night,
A warehouse of strangers with sixty watt lights.
Staring through the ceiling, just wanting to be
Lay one of too many, a young pfc:
Donald

There were spaces between donald and whatever he said.
Strangers had forced him to live in his head.
He envisioned the details of romantic scenes
After midnight in the stillness of the barracks latrine.

Hot love, cold love, no love at all.
A portrait of guilt is hung on the wall.
Nothing is wrong, nothing is right.
Donald and lydia made love that night.

Love

The made love in the mountains, they made love in the streams,
They made love in the valleys, they made love in their dreams.
But when they were finished there was nothing to say,
'cause mostly they made love from ten miles away."


Songwriters: John Prine
Donald and Lydia lyrics © Warner/Chappell Music, Inc

Attempts to effectively regulate or tax this activity largely have been unsuccessful outside of commercial aircraft.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IYbxstLV8A "Thanks a lot, Bin Laden".

Last edited by Gzesh; 03-10-2019 at 02:28 PM.
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03-10-2019 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLOL
Hahaha. Are you seriously this naive?

It was standard during the boom years. If your threshold for 'documentation' is a prosecution or the like, no, I doubt that has happened, but I'm sure if we took a poll of people under the age of 25 on this site, right now, we would have no problem finding metric ****loads of people who played underage.

It was commonly mentioned in a ton of articles in poker media during peak years... how so and so started playing in high school but was 'technically underage' so something-something-something "but now he's old enough and..."
HAHAHA Reading comprehension must be quite tough for you.

"Legal licensed online poker in the US" was not available during poker's peak. I am referring to the current crop of poker rooms that have been operating post Black Friday for several years legally in states where they are licensed.
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03-11-2019 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
HAHAHA Reading comprehension must be quite tough for you.

"Legal licensed online poker in the US" was not available during poker's peak. I am referring to the current crop of poker rooms that have been operating post Black Friday for several years legally in states where they are licensed.
I see. And your contention is that all players on those sites are so carefully vetted for age that you just can't conceive of any possible way that anyone on those sites might be underage?

This is Naive; Level 30. Or, if you're playing ******ed semantic games, show me a documented case (with legal documentation) of a person playing underage in an Atlantic City Casino.

I'll wait here....
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03-11-2019 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLOL
I see. And your contention is that all players on those sites are so carefully vetted for age that you just can't conceive of any possible way that anyone on those sites might be underage?

This is Naive; Level 30. Or, if you're playing ******ed semantic games, show me a documented case (with legal documentation) of a person playing underage in an Atlantic City Casino.

I'll wait here....
Y'all might just simmer down there guys and back away from this. No possible winner or +EV from further posting on it.
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03-11-2019 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LOLOL
I see. And your contention is that all players on those sites are so carefully vetted for age that you just can't conceive of any possible way that anyone on those sites might be underage?

This is Naive; Level 30. Or, if you're playing ******ed semantic games, show me a documented case (with legal documentation) of a person playing underage in an Atlantic City Casino.

I'll wait here....
Nice straw man.
Ask this guy...

Last edited by Videopro; 03-11-2019 at 05:42 PM.
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03-12-2019 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Videopro
Nice straw man.
Ask this guy...
I'm really impressed that you were able to find that.
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03-13-2019 , 01:33 AM
underage was never the main impediment to legalization
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03-13-2019 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nodarpapaya
underage was never the main impediment to legalization
Progress is a slow process of knocking over one barrier at a time.
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03-14-2019 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Well Read Ted
Progress is a slow process of knocking over one barrier at a time.
Nonessential barriers aren’t barriers - you have to be really naive to think that age-based restrictions have anything to do with legalization.
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03-14-2019 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by arcdog
Nonessential barriers aren’t barriers - you have to be really naive to think that age-based restrictions have anything to do with legalization.
If it is so nonessential then Adelson should not talk about it as partial rationale for his stance. He also should not (in my opinion) imply that the legalization of prostitution and the legalization of drugs (his words “we don’t legalize drug addiction”) can be compared to the legalization of online gambling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKDV4MolsWw
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04-17-2019 , 05:27 PM
Looks like the get tough UK internet age restrictions for porn starts in July.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8874181.html

From the link:

The introduction of age-verification to restrict access to commercial pornographic websites to adults is a ground-breaking child protection measure. Age-verification will help prevent children from accessing pornographic content online and means the UK is leading the way in internet safety,” said BBFC chief executive David Austin...
...The Internet Service Providers’ Association said that internet companies may be asked to entirely ban websites that don’t comply with the rules,..

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Funny how the UK is big on restricting porn on the internet and not gambling. Whereas the US is big on restricting gambling and not porn.

But the bottom line is that if the get tough policy on age works in the UK it can work in the US with regard to poker. And anti-internet gaming forces like Adelson won't be able to throw that age argument around anymore.

Last edited by Well Read Ted; 04-17-2019 at 05:34 PM.
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