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09-11-2020 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
What you are suggesting is easier said than done. Extensive analysis of a player with all the backend data and then comparing to requested live play can show up discrepancies. Plenty of cheats have been caught out on Stars and other sites this way.

I'm not well versed in this enough to say how long it could take for them to get caught but its silly to say this type of cheating carries zero risk.
Zero was hyperbolic but you get the point.

At the end of the day, what happens to them. This guy has made a **** tonne of money most of which he probably already has off-site. So at the end of the day it is him laughing all the way to the bank.

Online poker is in a really tough spot moving forward.

If sites introduced tournament/cash tables with extra secutiy as cams/headphones etc I wonder what the uptake would be like. I am surprised a site hasn't tried it.
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09-11-2020 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TUTI88
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU FOR POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS AND IDEAS TO AVOID CHEATERS USING RTA.
Randomized preflop blind structure
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=193

Should eliminate the possibility of using solved preflop sims on most common spots and flops, since there are no longer "common spots" (e.g. BTN v CO open when it has been folded to you).
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09-11-2020 , 08:01 PM
ICYMI, an article on VIP-grinders:
https://www.vip-grinders.com/new-hug...-kruse-update/
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09-11-2020 , 08:32 PM
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09-11-2020 , 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ezdonkey
Randomized preflop blind structure
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=193

Should eliminate the possibility of using solved preflop sims on most common spots and flops, since there are no longer "common spots" (e.g. BTN v CO open when it has been folded to you).
Damn, it really looks like a good idea.
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09-11-2020 , 08:46 PM
I just want to say there is a lot more accusations besides the posted pastebin, I think soon it will come to light otherwise I'll post them myself
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09-11-2020 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Iblis
Damn, it really looks like a good idea.
Thanks. I'd hope to hear someone like Ike's thought on this, especially since he has probably power & legitimacy to try push forward this kind of experiment on party.

I suggested this to Rob Yong a year ago, but nothing has happened.

Would love to see Stars try something like this as well. I thought their experiments with Fusion etc. were awesome, and it's a shame it didn't pick up. Maybe it was too different of a game, and randomized blind structure meets regular NLHE kinda halfway.
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09-12-2020 , 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
I just want to say there is a lot more accusations besides the posted pastebin, I think soon it will come to light otherwise I'll post them myself
Can you pls post them. There are already a bunch of people in this thread who have played vs the guy either on gg or ps.

Would be good to have as many information as possible, so that people could start claiming refunds with support etc.

Thx in advance
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09-12-2020 , 08:49 PM
So everybody saying that RTA wasnt an issue at stars was clearly wrong.

Random average 100nl and mtt player becomes a world class crusher overnight and gets up to the highest stakes on stars in a short period of time, but was only caught because his roommates (well done to them!) reported him.

It makes you wonder how many other guys there are out there like him. I suspect that a lot of them are cheating in much less obvious ways than this, perhaps not following solver advice so strictly and not instantly moving up stakes as bankroll allows.

What hope have we got if this guy got away with it so successfully, only to be caught out by his roommates? Stars /GG really should have been demanding at least a full room view video of him grinding a very long time ago.
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09-12-2020 , 08:59 PM
Do you remember when every now and again a top cyclist would get caught taking PED's

Turns out most were doing PED's and not getting caught.

For every guy who lives with room mates who turn him in there are probably 10 guys living on their own with zero chance of getting caught.

I will also offer a slight defense and play devils advocate....

I have seen well known vloggers refer to situational push/fold charts while playing tournaments?

Is that too much different? Those are solved situations.

So if a person uses a hud which uses pre-fetched and analyzed data to help make decisions.

Is that too much different?

I'm guessing that this kind of setup probably isn't even close to being the most advanced. You would think someone would combine solver outcomes with real time adjustments based on opponent player stats.

When large sums of money are involved assume your opponents will do anything possible to extract it from you.... anything.
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09-12-2020 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
I'm guessing that this kind of setup probably isn't even close to being the most advanced. You would think someone would combine solver outcomes with real time adjustments based on opponent player stats.
I guess that evolution will come but at the moment if a player has access to RTA and then is also using their own ability to adjust based on game flow, stats it is already being done just not by the machine.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer
When large sums of money are involved assume your opponents will do anything possible to extract it from you.... anything.
Poker has always been strange in this regard. Despite the massive amounts of money involved, there are no real repercussions for cheating and defrauding people. You can cheat your way to millions online and if you get caught then it really is no big deal. When you have that kind of upside versus very little downside you are always going to attract people to give it go.
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09-12-2020 , 11:49 PM
Some talking in kaki tee's GG 100k rail stream about the cheating, fedor kruse shows up in chat (iLoveCookiiezz)







Re: Kaki asking him to go on stream and talk about situation or make a video about the accusations

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09-13-2020 , 02:56 AM
RTA is just the new HUD. You're all just really old now.
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09-13-2020 , 03:21 AM
He’s admitting they had a piece and still ratted him out, seems pretty unlikely he’s not cheating....
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09-13-2020 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by RunningIsNotAnOptn
RTA is just the new HUD. You're all just really old now.
i know right, it is so messed up.
Live poker might be the only solution.
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09-13-2020 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by keane_mark2
i know right, it is so messed up.
Live poker might be the only solution.
Too true...

We need to keep these young kids out by being grumpy at the tables.
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09-13-2020 , 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
I just want to say there is a lot more accusations besides the posted pastebin, I think soon it will come to light otherwise I'll post them myself
Post pls
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09-13-2020 , 05:07 AM
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09-13-2020 , 05:10 AM
Wonder who else uses this stuff too. Can't believe that Kruse made it himself because he was such a noob at using it.
Buy all his known HH and compare his stats to other suspicious players and maybe you'll find others using the same thing
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09-13-2020 , 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by HoleInOne11
Wonder who else uses this stuff too. Can't believe that Kruse made it himself because he was such a noob at using it.
Buy all his known HH and compare his stats to other suspicious players and maybe you'll find others using the same thing
It sounds like there was not much to make? run thousands of sims , organize them , use your 2nd PC?



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Originally Posted by Any2Suited

lmao wp

Last edited by TreadLightly; 09-13-2020 at 05:36 AM.
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09-13-2020 , 05:18 AM
Did Kruse have the bankroll to run the Sims? The amount of sizes he seemed to have makes it look like they were costly sims
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09-13-2020 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by HoleInOne11
Wonder who else uses this stuff too. Can't believe that Kruse made it himself because he was such a noob at using it.
Buy all his known HH and compare his stats to other suspicious players and maybe you'll find others using the same thing
Here are two different requests to make such a tool.

https://law.stackexchange.com/questi...by-poker-sites

http://poker-ai.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=3359

I would say it is safe to say there are quite a few versions of the tool out there and in use by various groups.
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09-13-2020 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
It sounds like there was not much to make? run thousands of sims , organize them , use your 2nd PC?
Looking at it there really isn't much to making this. I am a Software developer and it looks extremely easy. It seems you might not even need to do the part of running the sims and putting the database together. It looks like some sites out there already provide an API to fetch precomputed solutions.
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09-13-2020 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Any2Suited
Lol, perfect.
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09-13-2020 , 08:23 AM
It occurred to me that I recently saw Kruse streaming on the No Limit Gaming channel (eSports team), I searched in their social media channels and found that he's been part of their team for the last 10 months..

https://www.instagram.com/p/B40ilOuge5t/

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