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09-11-2020 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Observer11
1. The fact that he uses variety of different bet-sizes doesnÂ’t prove anything. Many players love to use vacuum plays/alternate between default bet sizes. ItÂ’s also easier to solve poker with less bet-sizes. Very weak analysis without any examples or statistics.

2. This could be really suspect if solver chooses that particular combo where the mistake is. Hope someone can post more info about this. With the sims and proper analysis.

3. So what that he likes to play 100bb? Many players do that including Stefan and BigBlindBets. And so what that he plays bad at short stack? This in fact would be an argument in his defense as short stack is easier to solve than 100bb. By the way all tournament players make tons of atrocious mistakes. Just ask the guys who played against MTT crew in 500/1k +.

4. Examples? Un-intuitive plays doesnÂ’t constitute any proof of RTA maybe itÂ’s un-intuitive to you guys, because you havenÂ’t understood them? Isildur used many over-bets against his opponents as they were un-intuitive to play against for a long time. One could argue that good human strategy is to put your opponents into a game-tree thatÂ’s the most un-intuitive to them.

5. Many players had fast come-ups. Linus is a good example. That doesnÂ’t automatically imply cheating. ItÂ’s possible that you donÂ’t know where Fedor has played before pokerstars/WPN. It also seems that he has very wealthy backers who helped him move up quickly. Many players donÂ’t have those and have to spend more time in mid-stakes. ItÂ’s also almost always the case that minority of people in a specific field reach an extra-ordinary achievement while the rest are mediocrity. ItÂ’s called the Pareto principle and apply to many hierarchies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

6. You need to have ‘frequencies that look good’ to play in tough games. And as you mentioned the sample size you have is meaningless and provide no value to this discussion.

7. So far no evidence have been posted here in the thread besides speculations and allegations based on a hearsay.


We can speculate because itÂ’s an NVG thread, but I donÂ’t see enough evidence to claim that heÂ’s guilty yet. LetÂ’s wait for the roommates To post evidence or GG/PS teams to complete their investigations. Until that happens it will be hard to know the truth.
I agree that this text is not really helping, except for the part with his roommates.

But the fact that the account is locked right now, plus all the information that's coming out, already seems a lot of weak evidence, which hopefully, eventually will show if he's guilty or not.
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09-11-2020 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Weird troll from someone who 4 weeks ago was asking people for studying 5$ sng together.

Weird. Just weird.

Obv using rta or even looking up solutions in pio while playing a hand is fraud. Plain and simple.
Who are you talking to?
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09-11-2020 , 11:59 AM
I feel your points are valid in theory Obs11 but when you think about the traits such a person would most likely have and compare them to Fedor Kruse do you really see any correlation? From what I saw from his content on Youtube and other social media he (as I said) didnt strike me as a smart and/or hardworking individual.
Unless his roommates played a horrible joke on him I dnt see even the slightest chance of him beeing innocent.
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09-11-2020 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Servasx
I feel your points are valid in theory Obs11 but when you think about the traits such a person would most likely have and compare them to Fedor Kruse do you really see any correlation? From what I saw from his content on Youtube and other social media he (as I said) didnt strike me as a smart and/or hardworking individual.
Unless his roommates played a horrible joke on him I dnt see even the slightest chance of him beeing innocent.
Yeah I mean that’s quite the random accusation about a someone that could ruin their life without some pretty definitive proof (seeing it with their eyes) so hard to believe it’s not true
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09-11-2020 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jayser1337
Thanks for making the thread and brining attention to such an important concern.
I really like the idea with a video+audio recording device. To avoid earpiece leak there are various devices that detect electromagnetic fields transmitted by any kind of electricity. In theory there could be a requirement to turn this EMF-detector and move around your head on a signal, that will be randomly lighted on the recording device few times during the session. It takes few seconds to turn it on and move around your head.
Of course this suggestion is quite raw, but it's something to start with.
If poker is to survive online then it needs to move towards some advanced technical solutions.

The worst thing about this story isn't that it invites more bad press on online poker but that the story will get a tonne of people thinking about the idea that if this kid can get away with it then it can't be that hard and they would be right. So why they don't try it.
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09-11-2020 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
The worst thing about this story isn't that it invites more bad press on online poker but that the story will get a tonne of people thinking about the idea that if this kid can get away with it then it can't be that hard and they would be right. So why they don't try it.
You can be the Fedor that works hard and wins 2 million in a week or you can be the Fedor that cheats for a few months and gets caught...choose wisely :P

p.s. I would like to point out that this scumbag cheater is NOT from Eastern Europe
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09-11-2020 , 01:32 PM
Just as a fun fact. Easterdamn had Kruse on his twitch some time ago. The video with the interview was on his YouTube Chan, but he deleted it today if I see it correctly. The video was uploaded only a week ago or so.

Also kruses ig and Twitter are followers only out of the sudden.

Looks a bit suspicious. Not really helping with the rumor
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09-11-2020 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Just as a fun fact. Easterdamn had Kruse on his twitch some time ago. The video with the interview was on his YouTube Chan, but he deleted it today if I see it correctly. The video was uploaded only a week ago or so.

Also kruses ig and Twitter are followers only out of the sudden.

Looks a bit suspicious. Not really helping with the rumor
I am not casting aspirations but genuinely asking a question. Hasn't he also had a pretty meteoric rise up through the stakes recently?
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09-11-2020 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jayus
You can be the Fedor that works hard and wins 2 million in a week or you can be the Fedor that cheats for a few months and gets caught...choose wisely :P

p.s. I would like to point out that this scumbag cheater is NOT from Eastern Europe
You say that but guys like Cruise are just dumb as a bag of rocks to give the game away. Give the tech to any half decent person with a bit of intelligence and they have zero chance of being detected.
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09-11-2020 , 01:55 PM
many people suspected this for quite a while already. but not really in public since no proof etc.
as others said he was pretty bad (at least miles from battling at 50/100+) at 200 then randomly started playing way higher.

well now i guess *insert gg bye bye eomji*
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09-11-2020 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
I am not casting aspirations but genuinely asking a question. Hasn't he also had a pretty meteoric rise up through the stakes recently?
FWIW Easterdamn was banned from Stars lately claiming to have no idea why as per his twitter. Again, not suggesting he’s involved but given the post above some further context
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09-11-2020 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
You say that but guys like Cruise are just dumb as a bag of rocks to give the game away. Give the tech to any half decent person with a bit of intelligence and they have zero chance of being detected.
This isn't true. It's just a case of allocating the resources. They will get caught eventually and if its someone known, they're reputation will be destroyed which will damage their chances of developing a career in another field.
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09-11-2020 , 02:26 PM
People running their mouth without actual evidence aren't helping anything either. 2020 has created a bunch of SJW that want to ruin others instead of improving themselves. What a joke!

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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Just as a fun fact. Easterdamn had Kruse on his twitch some time ago. The video with the interview was on his YouTube Chan, but he deleted it today if I see it correctly. The video was uploaded only a week ago or so.

Also kruses ig and Twitter are followers only out of the sudden.

Looks a bit suspicious. Not really helping with the rumor
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09-11-2020 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by smashsmash
People running their mouth without actual evidence aren't helping anything either. 2020 has created a bunch of SJW that want to ruin others instead of improving themselves. What a joke!
Sounds like you are here to support the cheaters. Good for you...
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09-11-2020 , 02:42 PM
Read for once in your life. I said it's wrong. But just accusing people without evidence sounds like you are here to just try and ruin peoples names without any actual evidence
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09-11-2020 , 02:42 PM
Or just keep taking things out of context like the standard set for SJW. Make them so you can feel good about yourself shaming, accusing and attempting to ruin things for people.
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09-11-2020 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeBuL
FWIW Easterdamn was banned from Stars lately claiming to have no idea why as per his twitter. Again, not suggesting he’s involved but given the post above some further context
I got an e-mail from stars and they were asking for KYC stuff randomly and it said my account would be locked if I didn't send it within X days, prob what happened to him, happened to many players lately
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09-11-2020 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by smashsmash
Read for once in your life. I said it's wrong. But just accusing people without evidence sounds like you are here to just try and ruin peoples names without any actual evidence
What accusation was made with no evidence?
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09-11-2020 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
This isn't true. It's just a case of allocating the resources. They will get caught eventually and if its someone known, they're reputation will be destroyed which will damage their chances of developing a career in another field.
Explain to me how. Imagine a scenario where you are already decent at poker. You understand the game enough to use the solutions as a guide and from that vary the play enough that it looks human. Not like this moron seems to have done implementing the perfect bet sizes in all spots when those games trees are so complicated across the different bets sizes that it can be detected very quickly no human is capable of playing this way.

It really wouldn't be hard to avoid detection.
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09-11-2020 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
I got an e-mail from stars and they were asking for KYC stuff randomly and it said my account would be locked if I didn't send it within X days, prob what happened to him, happened to many players lately
Personally I had that last year but it didn't say my account would be locked if I didn't sent the documents within a certain period of time. Sounds pretty wild from Stars..

Easterdamn's account is permanently banned though, he said that they're allowing him to withdraw but are not telling him why he's banned.

Either way, I think this is probably irrelevant to this case and he probably just deleted the vid after hearing about this cause he probably doesn't want to be connected to him or give him more publicity.
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09-11-2020 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by AndreasAU79
Personally I had that last year but it didn't say my account would be locked if I didn't sent the documents within a certain period of time. Sounds pretty wild from Stars..

Easterdamn's account is permanently banned though, he said that they're allowing him to withdraw but are not telling him why he's banned.

Either way, I think this is probably irrelevant to this case and he probably just deleted the vid after hearing about this cause he probably doesn't want to be connected to him or give him more publicity.
I think it wasn't the first e-mail, I hadn't checked my e-mails in quite a while so that's why they said it was going to be locked if the documents weren't received within a certain time frame
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09-11-2020 , 04:38 PM
The thing about using this specific type of RTA is that when used by someone who isn't a button clicking drooler they're basically studying while making money and can get very good at memorizing what to do in tough spots while they cheat. To think there aren't entire stables using these in combination with collusion/card sharing/guys in discord on real time ICMizer/HRC duty for deep mtt spots. Pads linked a YT video that was selling this very simple software that does this exact type of RTA a few months back, sick promotion. That's probably the real big news story that's coming out now that pads is out of the stable game, how big of an unethical edge these kinds of groups really have.
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09-11-2020 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
Explain to me how. Imagine a scenario where you are already decent at poker. You understand the game enough to use the solutions as a guide and from that vary the play enough that it looks human. Not like this moron seems to have done implementing the perfect bet sizes in all spots when those games trees are so complicated across the different bets sizes that it can be detected very quickly no human is capable of playing this way.

It really wouldn't be hard to avoid detection.
What you are suggesting is easier said than done. Extensive analysis of a player with all the backend data and then comparing to requested live play can show up discrepancies. Plenty of cheats have been caught out on Stars and other sites this way.

I'm not well versed in this enough to say how long it could take for them to get caught but its silly to say this type of cheating carries zero risk.
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09-11-2020 , 05:23 PM
The virgin multi-tabling 1 PC bad reg vs. the Chad 1 tabling multi-PC crusher
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09-11-2020 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TPeck
The thing about using this specific type of RTA is that when used by someone who isn't a button clicking drooler they're basically studying while making money and can get very good at memorizing what to do in tough spots while they cheat. To think there aren't entire stables using these in combination with collusion/card sharing/guys in discord on real time ICMizer/HRC duty for deep mtt spots. Pads linked a YT video that was selling this very simple software that does this exact type of RTA a few months back, sick promotion. That's probably the real big news story that's coming out now that pads is out of the stable game, how big of an unethical edge these kinds of groups really have.
By that logic the guy with a photographic memory would be the best pokerplayer. Just seeing a solution doesn't mean you understand what's happening. The guy probably couldn't even keep track of his own ranges in the first place.
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