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09-11-2020 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by DrUPSWING
Does the guy love cookies? kappa
KEKW
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09-11-2020 , 07:40 AM
Just imagine going through your life acting like some baller crusher, deep down knowing that your entire life is built on lies and cheating other people out of the money they have worked hard for.

These guys are a special breed of scum

I think all ideas that tuti and others have mentioned, including cameras, are good ones.

To the people who say “I wouldn’t want to be on camera”, it’s obv more likely that you’re cheating based just on having said that. If you’re playing fairly you should want to do whatever is necessary to ensure your opponents are too.

Last edited by Oladipo; 09-11-2020 at 07:59 AM.
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09-11-2020 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Observer11
He has been playing up to 200/400 for a long time on gg
he plays 100/200,200/400 on gg now and also plays highstakes tournament and he recently won 3k tournamnet for $200k.
Also he is sponsored pro for natural8 and haven't seen him playing from last 10-12 days on gg
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09-11-2020 , 07:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NfQTs8LHQ0 this video shows him moving to Vienna and living there with two roommates
If it is the right person I lost a few k to him a while ago on GG and would really appreciate if someone contacts me who knows his roommates.
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09-11-2020 , 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Oladipo
Just imagine going through your life acting like some baller crusher, deep down knowing that your entire life is built on lies and cheating other people out of the money they have worked hard for.

These guys are a special breed of scum
+1000
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09-11-2020 , 08:29 AM
If his roommates didn't bring it up that he was using RTA then it would be impossible to detect he was using RTA.

If you are using RTA atleast use some commonsense.He was playing 200/500nl for 6-7 months without being a solid winner there and made transition to 5k/10kNL that fast should have risen suspicion to pokerstars but they didn't investigate.

So in future they should look for players who have risen to highstakes in short period of time and investigate them about their game.

He was also playing highstakes tournaments on gg and constantly winning there.
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09-11-2020 , 08:30 AM
oh boy
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09-11-2020 , 08:44 AM
Until there is a bigger punishment than just getting banned there will never be a solution.
Companies/organisations are always 1 step behind the ones circumnavigating their rules
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09-11-2020 , 09:04 AM
dude is an utter idiot having roommates while cheating for a living.
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09-11-2020 , 09:08 AM
Hey guys, i am really happy that lots of ideas are coming out. This is definately going the right way.
I honestly think any HS reg making lots of money a year would be super interested on making games 0% cheating possible. I think we alredy fixed the "earpiece leak" with the electromagnetism detector, and honestly now a days thats super easy to build i guess.
So first of all guys, we are in 2020, we are talking about online gambling, so honestly i think is nothing crazy or out of the line to implement some kind of surveyllance to people gambling online with hundreds of thousands of dollars at the same time. I mean for those who think thats way out of the line...guys there are cameras in every single caisno in the world, where big amounts of money is being gambled. How is it possible thinking that some kind of surveillance should be definately implemented to online poker is crazyness? I honestly think it should be already implemented years ago. Thats is why we got to this points where any recreational knows that he has high chances to be playing a machine.
Now i want to clarify couple of things with all of you.
1: What are the chances of cheating if you have to play under a surveillance, with a device recording sound, and detecting any possible electromagnetic device (earpice leak xD) I think is literally superclose to 0.
2: If this is true, dont you think it would open a whole new world? how nice would be if you join a 3 handed game, or even joining HU table where you know 100% you are playing vs human skills? That is a new start imo...that is big man.

Also, for cheaters knowing that if you are suspect of using RTA you are asked to play under surveillance, that instantly would keep them away imo 100%.

3 and super important: we are saying that for good regs is def not worth it to use RTA, because all reasons people wrote already (playing less hands hour, having to make mistakes obv to show sometimes u human, the stress of getting caught, the tough work to make the big data base). But have you guys thought about how your win rate would instantly go 2x or so just by not playing vs cheaters at all??? Careful here guys, i think this is huge.

Also the interest for poker would become really high again for regs, willing to play much more, so there would be many more tables, HU challenges. At the end all of this things are making poker world much more attractive for recs.

And again, we are in 2020. Adding surveillance to online gamblers for hundreds and hundreds of thousands...man thats not crazy at all...that is actually what should have been donde few years ago imo.
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09-11-2020 , 09:18 AM
Who were his room mates ?

Fair ****s to them. And **** this guy.
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09-11-2020 , 09:20 AM
I have like 10k hands against this guy at 100NL/200NL zoom from a few ago (he was ****). Only a month or so ago, I opened up the ACR lobby and see him sitting at 5k by himself.

If true, what a horrible person. Just defrauding people out of their money for a living.

Last edited by _jimbo_; 09-11-2020 at 09:32 AM.
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09-11-2020 , 09:21 AM
How about communicating better among HS regs, make it clear when you have your suspicions about a certain player so others are more vigilant/observant and people will be able to either support or debunk certain claims.

Player in question didn't exactly have a credible rise to the top, someone must've had some doubts...
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09-11-2020 , 09:22 AM
Its very rare that these stories arent true. So me personally i asssume its definitly legit.

Account is blocked on ps, u cant sent money.

Imo thread title should be changed. Its not longer about ideas, its about the fact that someone used rta in nosebleed games.

The ideas how to prevent that can still be discussed.

pretty disgusting story.

probs to his roommates, they deserve a medal
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09-11-2020 , 09:25 AM
Could there ever be a scenario where jail time is an option? I assume it isnt currently.
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09-11-2020 , 09:31 AM
Idea: Poker Syndicate hires henchmen to do the job once it's confirmed someone cheated, once a couple of high stakes cheaters get kicked the **** out of them no one will cheat anymore
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09-11-2020 , 09:37 AM
Found the story guys: https://textbin.net/7LNHO8c4Hb

Cliffs: Fedor Kruse has been playing high stakes with second computer with every spot solved, guess if it's that easy everyone is doing it, poker is dead
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09-11-2020 , 09:41 AM
The guy has already disabled some of his social media lol...

Also if u investigate more, there seems to be a hab it of doing unethical stuff.

https://www.ingame.de/news/youtube-a...-12786516.html

Only read a little bit of that. It's not poker related. He was a cod utube, went to a game convention, and illegally copied an entrance pass so he could keep on playing bla etc. Basically they give out so called fast pass for journalist, so they wouldn't have to wait 3h in a line to play a game. The guy got one fast pass from Activision, which would have allowed him to go to the first in line, basically skip the 2-3h line, and then play for 10min and leave. But the guy is an a**** right, so he just copied the fast pass infinite times and kept playing for a long time.

There was a lot of backslash, Activision canceled some sponsoring blabla. Weird story, not that important.

But fits into the picture. Clearly someone like this is not gonne hesitate even a bit to cheat in poker
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09-11-2020 , 09:41 AM
His rise to the HS games def seemed rather meteoric but with 2020 beeing the nuts and him having luck in MTTs it didnt seem impossible. Especially since I also had somewhat of a similar experience in 2020 of moving up the stakes. His behavior was the one thing that bugged me the most to be honest. Def didnt come off as smart or hardworking imo. Something felt off about him. I actually wanted to meet him in person in Vienna and offered him a dinner. (didnt happen)

The ideas of prevention seem pretty decent and I cant see how any 5k+ reg would be opposed to them.

Personally I think hiding his name is also useless.
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09-11-2020 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by martinmarto
Found the story guys: https://textbin.net/7LNHO8c4Hb

Cliffs: Fedor Kruse has been playing high stakes with second computer with every spot solved, guess if it's that easy everyone is doing it, poker is dead
Who wrote that? Did I miss smt, the end feels like there is more text to come. The part about the flops and the wrong suit is kinda lol

Here the text from pastebin

"Dear ladies and gentlemen,

We are a small group of German poker players, most of us long term pokerstars costumers. In the last months a lot of us noticed a certain player, who is relatively new to the scene, sky rocketing through the toughest of stakes. Not only on pokerstars but on other sites as well. His name is Fedor Kruse and his nickname on stars is “GlitchSystem”. A lot of us were suspicious because something like this just doesn't happen a lot and we started our own investigations.

Here are some of our own founds:

1. He uses a variety of different bet-sizes on any street and its always exact. Those are 25%, 33%, 50%, 66%, 75%, 100%, 150%. Usually those sizings are on point, except for a few instances where his plays are extremely off (i.e. betting 75% small blind vs middle positon in a 3bet pot on Q33 rainbow)
2. There is one extremely weird looking hand, in which we think he messed up the correct suit. (One of us looked this up in a “all flops”-list he found on twoplustwo.com in which “accidentally” this perticular suit is missing there as well for this board)
link to hand: https://imgur.com/a/NFH9swR
3. He almost exclusively plays 100bb deep. He plays versus the best and toughest players such as Stefan11222, BigBlindBets and many more but almost never fewer than 100 big blinds deep. And if he plays shortstack he makes super bad mistakes. This is extremely suspicious because he used to be a tournament regular, which should be very comfortable playing at shorter stack depth.
4. He consistently makes very non-intuitive plays, which to very little surprise are all “solver-approved”
5. Comparing his upcoming to even the very very best players such as “LLinusLLove” or other sickos of the game, he did in the fastest time seen so far. Only a year ago he was still playing 100NL
6. Eventhough we dont have a big sample on his hands, the ones we have, all his frequencies look very good, which adds up to the suspicion.
7. His former roommates have detailed information, which apparently already has been reported to Pokerstars on how he uses a second set of mouse and keyboard to access his second PC on which he has all the solves."
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09-11-2020 , 10:58 AM
Never seen so many SJW in my life as in this post... Funny part is, most are probably $2 NL Regs like "yeah who ever it is hang em, kick em in the nuts, put em jail for life, **** them"... when in reality they don't even know what RTA is, have never opened a solver and used it.

Yeah 100% using RTA is wrong I agree, but I'm not going to spend my ever waking moment shaming the guy for doing so. Ban him, lock his account and maybe seize his funds but to just keep shaming them is annoying!

Last edited by smashsmash; 09-11-2020 at 11:05 AM.
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09-11-2020 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by smashsmash
Never seen so many SJW in my life as in this post... Funny part is, most are probably $2 NL Regs like "yeah who ever it is hang em, kick em in the nuts, put em jail for life, **** them"... when in reality they don't even know what RTA is, have never opened a solver and used it.

SNITCHES!
Oh, Hi Fedor

The text above is from google so idk where it was originally posted
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09-11-2020 , 11:05 AM
Weird troll from someone who 4 weeks ago was asking people for studying 5$ sng together.

Weird. Just weird.

Obv using rta or even looking up solutions in pio while playing a hand is fraud. Plain and simple.
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09-11-2020 , 11:10 AM
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Last edited by Observer11; 09-11-2020 at 11:16 AM. Reason: Double post accident
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09-11-2020 , 11:15 AM
["[/QUOTE] =alberthofmann;56511353]Who wrote that? Did I miss smt, the end feels like there is more text to come. The part about the flops and the wrong suit is kinda lol

Here the text from pastebin

"Dear ladies and gentlemen,

We are a small group of German poker players, most of us long term pokerstars costumers. In the last months a lot of us noticed a certain player, who is relatively new to the scene, sky rocketing through the toughest of stakes. Not only on pokerstars but on other sites as well. His name is Fedor Kruse and his nickname on stars is “GlitchSystem”. A lot of us were suspicious because something like this just doesn't happen a lot and we started our own investigations.

Here are some of our own founds:

1. He uses a variety of different bet-sizes on any street and its always exact. Those are 25%, 33%, 50%, 66%, 75%, 100%, 150%. Usually those sizings are on point, except for a few instances where his plays are extremely off (i.e. betting 75% small blind vs middle positon in a 3bet pot on Q33 rainbow)
2. There is one extremely weird looking hand, in which we think he messed up the correct suit. (One of us looked this up in a “all flops”-list he found on twoplustwo.com in which “accidentally” this perticular suit is missing there as well for this board)
link to hand: https://imgur.com/a/NFH9swR
3. He almost exclusively plays 100bb deep. He plays versus the best and toughest players such as Stefan11222, BigBlindBets and many more but almost never fewer than 100 big blinds deep. And if he plays shortstack he makes super bad mistakes. This is extremely suspicious because he used to be a tournament regular, which should be very comfortable playing at shorter stack depth.
4. He consistently makes very non-intuitive plays, which to very little surprise are all “solver-approved”
5. Comparing his upcoming to even the very very best players such as “LLinusLLove” or other sickos of the game, he did in the fastest time seen so far. Only a year ago he was still playing 100NL
6. Eventhough we dont have a big sample on his hands, the ones we have, all his frequencies look very good, which adds up to the suspicion.
7. His former roommates have detailed information, which apparently already has been reported to Pokerstars on how he uses a second set of mouse and keyboard to access his second PC on which he has all the solves."[/QUOTE]


I am gonna respond to those germans who make seven points about Fedor Kruse being guilty. Their analysis is very poor and has no substance besides a very interesting point #2. These are quite serious allegations, so at least post your names when making such claims because for all we know this could easily be a personal vendetta or something of that sort.


The fact that he uses variety of different bet-sizes does not prove anything. Many players love to use vacuum plays/alternate between default bet sizes. It is also easier to solve poker with less bet-sizes. Very weak analysis without any examples or statistics.

2. This could be really suspect if solver chooses that particular combo where the mistake is. Hope someone can post more info about this. With the sims and proper analysis.

3. So what that he likes to play 100bb? Many players do that including Stefan and BigBlindBets. And so what that he plays bad at short stack? This in fact would be an argument in his defense as short stack is easier to solve than 100bb. By the way all tournament players make tons of atrocious mistakes. Just ask the guys who played against MTT crew in 500/1k +.

4. Examples? Un-intuitive plays does not constitute any proof of RTA maybe it is un-intuitive to you guys, because you have not understood them? Isildur used many over-bets against his opponents as they were un-intuitive to play against for a long time. One could argue that good human strategy is to put your opponents into a game-tree which is the most un-intuitive to them.

5. Many players had fast come-ups. Linus is a good example. That Does not automatically imply cheating. It is possible that you don’t know where Fedor has played before pokerstars/WPN. It also seems that he has very wealthy backers who have helped him move up quickly. Many players don’t have those and have to spend more time in The mid-stakes. It is almost always the case that minority of people in a specific field reach an extra-ordinary achievement while the rest are mediocrity. It is called the Pareto principle and apply to many hierarchical structures https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

6. You need to have ‘frequencies that look good’ to play in tough games. And as you have mentioned the sample size you have is meaningless and provide no value to this discussion.

7. So far no evidence have been posted here in the thread besides speculations and allegations based on a hearsay.


We can speculate because it is an NVG thread, but I don’t see enough evidence to claim that he’s guilty yet. Let’s wait for the roommates To post evidence or GG/PS teams to complete their investigations. Until that happens it will be hard to know the truth.

Last edited by Observer11; 09-11-2020 at 11:26 AM.
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