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09-11-2020 , 12:12 AM
How come the identity of this player hasnt been outted yet?
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09-11-2020 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by alextrev1111
How come the identity of this player hasnt been outted yet?
Must have a lot of friends who are not his roomates that reported him
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09-11-2020 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mixgrill
To be fair, and I am not saying the player in question was cheating because I have no proof/suspicions about him, definitely was not on my list of potential cheaters.
There's a handful of guys I'd say are far, far more likely to be cheating.
I was wondering how he jumped from NL50-NL200 without even winning money to NL5k-NL10k in 6-7 month period.
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09-11-2020 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mixgrill
Other factors:
-If you get caught, you stand to lose potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars
-You lose future EV by not being able to play anymore
-You need to spend 100+ hours developing the program and sims, which you could spend actually playing
-Spend tons of money renting servers, hiring a coder, paying people off to stay silent
-Stress of being caught
add to that the constant need to update your "dream machine" with each site update and code new program for every site u play on doesnt seem worth the time or $ when it could be spent learning general solver strat and using that info within the rules of the game
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09-11-2020 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mosquito!
I was wondering how he jumped from NL50-NL200 without even winning money to NL5k-NL10k in 6-7 month period.
Can you PM me with the screen-name of the suspected player? I do play in the same player pools as the aforementioned player and I am very curious to know who's the culprit
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09-11-2020 , 03:23 AM
Anyone who is trustworthy/can prove they aren't lying and knows who it was you can PM me for me to release name if you are not wanting to do it / want to remain anonymous?

(Or keep it quiet if you give a good reason for it to be secret; I play midstakes NL and quite curious if its someone i've played with)

Last edited by TreadLightly; 09-11-2020 at 03:34 AM.
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09-11-2020 , 03:25 AM
How/why on earth is nobody saying who it is that has been caught? It's a bit surreal now
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09-11-2020 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HoleInOne11
How/why on earth is nobody saying who it is that has been caught? It's a bit surreal now
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Originally Posted by alextrev1111
How come the identity of this player hasnt been outted yet?
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Must have a lot of friends who are not his roomates that reported him
Pads claimed he will drop the news. Seems fairto give it some time considering the guy technically isnt guilty yet. I have not recieved any money despite being down vs him a significant ammount on multiple networks. He is under investigation(closed account för now)

Alextrev, pm if someone already didnt tell you.

Om topic i dont really see the point. I sure wouldnt want to have to deal with this, the hsnl player pool is very small. Its not like u play vs random guys that are amazing all the time. Game integrity is far worse on anonymous sites/bigger player pools/where people can MA.

I personally think private games are the future. Poor rake, poor security and game integrity on sites and the issue of getting large funds on regulated sites make them less attractive to anyone.

There is plenty of days i get 6 tables of 25/50 + and on stars there wont even be ont table of 5/10.

Pm if u want to discuss tuti, but i think RTA is the smallest issue of these legit sites. At least at HS
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09-11-2020 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ggbruuce
Pads claimed he will drop the news. Seems fairto give it some time considering the guy technically isnt guilty yet. I have not recieved any money despite being down vs him a significant ammount on multiple networks. He is under investigation(closed account för now)
Does this mean the speculation going around is due to roomates telling everyone? OR is it just guessing its RTA based on the persons acc being locked everywhere? (I am assuming someone got the info somehow since OPs details seem pretty specific on his setup / how he was caught)
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09-11-2020 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TreadLightly
Does this mean the speculation going around is due to roomates telling everyone? OR is it just guessing its RTA based on the persons acc being locked everywhere? (I am assuming someone got the info somehow since OPs details seem pretty specific on his setup / how he was caught)
Both, his room mates called him out.. Shortly after he stopped appearing at tables and his stars account was locked.
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09-11-2020 , 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ggbruuce
Both, his room mates called him out.. Shortly after he stopped appearing at tables and his stars account was locked.
Give a little teaser, cmon! What stakes was he playing and which country was his stars account from?
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09-11-2020 , 06:18 AM
Does the guy love cookies? kappa
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09-11-2020 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DrUPSWING
Does the guy love cookies? kappa
haha, was wondering the same. His stars account is locked too, can't send him any $

Last edited by Observer11; 09-11-2020 at 06:27 AM.
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09-11-2020 , 06:35 AM
Props to his roommates, probably wasnt an easy decision, but as someone who lost thousands of dollars vs RTA users I do really appreciate it.
If it turns out that the guy was using RTA please not only post his nick but also his real name and make sure every pokersite and casino knows about this. We have to make it as -EV as possible for future cheaters.
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09-11-2020 , 06:35 AM
Maybe there was a glitch in his system?
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09-11-2020 , 06:38 AM
Alright using my insane detective skill, it's someone with an avatar of the cookie monster from sesame street?
Or were these hints just trolls.

No idea which reg had that avatar. Any suggestions


If u guys keep dropping random hints, then u can also just post the name as well. People will find out eventually
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09-11-2020 , 06:44 AM
I think either a shorter time bank or changing the structure of the game frequently enough to make the RTA less useful. For example have two SB and one BB one hand then one SB two BB next hand, ante one hand no ante the next hand. Just something to make it tough to use them
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09-11-2020 , 06:53 AM
Thanks for making the thread and brining attention to such an important concern.
I really like the idea with a video+audio recording device. To avoid earpiece leak there are various devices that detect electromagnetic fields transmitted by any kind of electricity. In theory there could be a requirement to turn this EMF-detector and move around your head on a signal, that will be randomly lighted on the recording device few times during the session. It takes few seconds to turn it on and move around your head.
Of course this suggestion is quite raw, but it's something to start with.

Another one is to do a mandatory prove of competence, asking players who came from nowhere and started crushing to show the history of their winnings on other sites, explain how do they study the game etc. This one isn't perfect too, but at least it will get rid of operators, who use the documents of random guys, who have never played a hand of poker before.
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09-11-2020 , 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeyBu
I think either a shorter time bank or changing the structure of the game frequently enough to make the RTA less useful. For example have two SB and one BB one hand then one SB two BB next hand, ante one hand no ante the next hand. Just something to make it tough to use them
Yeah this. But I also think there needs to be some kind of software solution.

Even if u shorten the time bank. If someone has a very well programmed and trained ocr software, then the cards on the table will just be detected in a split second and the gto solution prob shown in a pop window.

U can only prevent that, if the cards on the tables are alternating.

Can't Stars implement something in their software, so that the card design changes with every new flop.

You can troll ocr or in general reduce the detection accuracy with random putting new lines symbols etc on the cards.

So the 4 of diamonds could have the 4 beeing crossed or lines in between etc.

And it should be possible for stars to implement that without the need of updating the client every hour.

There must be something like this possible.

But it would mean a lot of money time and work would have to be spent by stars.

I don't think they will do this
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09-11-2020 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Alright using my insane detective skill, it's someone with an avatar of the cookie monster from sesame street?
Or were these hints just trolls.

No idea which reg had that avatar. Any suggestions


If u guys keep dropping random hints, then u can also just post the name as well. People will find out eventually
Fedor Kruse(gg) / glitchsystem (ps/wpn) That’s who people are hinting at
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09-11-2020 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Observer11
Fedor Kruse(gg) / glitchsystem (ps/wpn) That’s who people are hinting at
OK I checked my dB and on ps I only have 300 hands of zoom 200 with this player from last year

Didn't even notice that this account is playing highs takes now?
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09-11-2020 , 07:16 AM
Haha okay, imo the story will get much much worse / better. Worse for ps.

This can be a pr Desaster deluxe.

So if this account was really glitchsystem, then it's this guy and PS even had a big interview with him last year

https://www.pokerstars.com/de/blog/2...r-183942.shtml

Use Google translate for translation.

If this is true and the guy was cheating, then it's and insane or selfown.

"hey look we promote cheaters at our site" basically
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09-11-2020 , 07:21 AM


Spoiler:
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09-11-2020 , 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
OK I checked my dB and on ps I only have 300 hands of zoom 200 with this player from last year

Didn't even notice that this account is playing highs takes now?
He has been playing up to 200/400 for a long time on gg
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09-11-2020 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by alberthofmann
Haha okay, imo the story will get much much worse / better. Worse for ps.

This can be a pr Desaster deluxe.

So if this account was really glitchsystem, then it's this guy and PS even had a big interview with him last year

https://www.pokerstars.com/de/blog/2...r-183942.shtml

Use Google translate for translation.

If this is true and the guy was cheating, then it's and insane or selfown.

"hey look we promote cheaters at our site" basically
This player ^ is (or at least was) sponsored by Natural8. (no idea if this is the player in question)
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