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Originally Posted by BlackJackDegen
I am not talking about sporadic lookups. I don't know why when we talk about this topic it seems to be really hard to get straight-up answers and people seem happy to obfuscate the questions and responses.
Let me be clear I am talking about a player who is screen scaping the cards in some way in another program and has real-time assistance running showing him the solver action in each of the spots he is playing. He is a good poker player who is doing a fair amount of deviating maybe for exploitative reasons, he doesn't feel a human finds that line very often or whatever. He has the RTA mainly running so he knows always in tough spots where he is in his range etc and how each spot roughly plays. This person is impossible to catch with current methods.
There are no current methods that allow this to get detected. It is literally impossible if the player is clever and has the technology setup correctly.
Edit - I outlined in a previous post how using something like the headset system would provide that irrefutable proof and obviously stop it completely in 99% of cases. Whether it is viable or not I don't know but the point is that a completely new approach of some kind needs to be taken to the problem.
I'm not trying to obfuscate, I just didn't understand your post. Bear in mind I just browse this thread and there is a lot of stuff. I take it back if you are offended.
Btw with systematic screen scraping (however you do it) there is significant risk of being caught. If undetectable now it doesn't mean site(s) won't catch it tomorrow.
Like I said to be safe you have to be a lonewolf, with good experience of botting and avoiding detection (a lot has changed from 2015 to 2021). This isn't there for almost all actual poker players. Often it's groups working with a developer who may end up going rogue and selling to others etc.
People also quit poker often, and it's these- the semi-retired exit scam trigger happy types that end up botting in my experience. But then by their nature these player(s)/group(s) end up getting caught quickly. Kinda similar set up to pump and dump scams:
look at my winnings with my bot! Now buy it from me pls (
since it gets caught after 1 week on Stars now)!
Indeed, most of the bots that are sold and easily found online are straight up scams.
The incentives aren't there yet for RTA users. IMO the actual thread is if the masses are educated on how they never had a chance winning at poker, and poker turns into online backgammon or something.