The best affiliate I have ever worked with.

Disclosure: been playing professionally since 2003

Almost every time Jamie is outed for his shady behaviour he plays the victim and uses this type of defense, blaming everyone for trying to sabotage him and tarnish his name etc. Just read any of the older threads on 2+2 he avoids answering specific questions and brings up the motivation of the accuser every single time. The world is out to get him.



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As far as a VPN, if an affiliate is giving the player false assurance that the VPN is safe and there's no risk, then they are putting the player at risk.

If the affiliate is informing the player that a VPN is a risk if they choose to take it, then I don't believe the affiliate doing anything wrong.

I also believe that affiliates that promote sites like Lock Poker and Juicy Stakes are putting players at a real risk today, similar to giving false assurances that a VPN is completely safe, but that's a story for another thread.

The major risk I see with VPNs, is when affiliates set USA players up on non USA sites and cash them out. They are effectively turning themselves into payment processors, and that might open them up to a lot of legal issues. That is an affiliate risk, however, not a player risk. So if an affiliate decides to take that risk, and they aren't giving false assurance to players, then the only harm I see is that they are taking a potentially dangerous risk themselves.

You don't see any problems with an affiliate causing huge liability issues for the operators / poker rooms they are promoting?

Between the time that I made this quoted post and now Pokerupdate deleted one of the posts and edited the other three to remove the offending content.

English teachers had it right imo

I don't think I implied that in my post, I was really just talking about the affiliate player relationship and responsibility.

Poker rooms not caring and even actively encouraging players from banned countries to play would be my larger concern if I operated a network. Some networks take that approach, and it's one I would replicate.

An example might be PokerStars. From what I can tell, they take some pretty active steps to discourage VPNs. They take a look at where players deposit from, cashout to, they keep up to date on IDs and they take player reports seriously, even going so far as to bust a pretty popularized case of a player playing in a USA live MTT, then playing PS just hours later.

If someone were to sneak by PokerStars defenses, I'm not sure I would call that a huge liability since PS can prove that they are policing this as best as they can. I would also never recommend a player buy a VPN and play on PS. I would tell them it is likely a large risk and they would likely be banned, possibly losing all their money if they were caught.

It's the things like an account name of "bbbbblll jlalalal" or depositing via transfer, cashing out via transfer, playing from known VPN IPs, watching for IP drops, not having any KYP (know your player) checks performed at all... that's the type of stuff that would be a real liability if the network failed to police it. When that stuff is happening, you know there will be hordes of affiliates and players setting up VPNs and going to town. I wouldn't exactly call that an affiliate (or player) problem, I'd call it a network security issue.

Obviously a network and its rooms should police the stuff you mention, including sufficient KYC checks. However, you seemed to imply that it is ok for an affiliate to accept a player signup even though they suspect that the player will be using a VPN to play (from a banned jurisdiction). IMO the affiliate should actively say no to that player as to protect both themselves, and especially the poker room they are working with.

I have decided to send a letter to the lawyer:

http://www.4flush.com/opinion/respon...attorney/14497

Are you going to post the full cease & desist?

Not that you need one, but you should have retained your own counsel PA.

My legal advice states that I should not publish the C&D because in 2008 a lawyer was able to claim copyright to one:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/Dozier...rweb650951.htm

It is up to the other party to present it.

I might be wrong, I thought pokertube is just hotlinking most of its content from youtube? If that so then hotlinking is perfectly fine. And the question shifts to folks uploading fragments copyrighted content to youtube.

Btw, I think youtube has takes a very balanced position on people uploading framgents of their favorite yet copyrighted content.

This needs to happen.

Seems like Jamie's constant lies and threats are finally coming back to haunt him. About time.

I was just reading the linked thread on PAL and then came back to read this thread and saw your post.

I really don't know what's going on or exactly who's who but since I just read the other thread this was fresh in my mind.

In that other thread I guess you made some reference to him violating the T&Cs. You called it "illegal". Even if he is doing what you say, I do not believe it is "illegal" unless it violates the laws of appropriate jurisdictions. A contract signed between two private parties is not "law".

I'm not taking any sides, just pointing this out.

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Hi Everyone:

I believe progress is being made privately concerning these issues and we expect this to be resolved privately, thus this thread will be locked.

Best wishes,
Mason