Man, if only Veronica could’ve known that Nick was a scumbag, there were just no signs.
It’s almost like she turned a blind eye to anything, and threw away any morals or ethics she cared about for money or poker “fame”

Ya of course the first time I met NV he was a creepy perv, of course he made unwanted sexual advances towards… ya of course.
But no, I couldn’t believe he was doing this to other women lolololololololololo

to clarify, i'm sure she's competent at playing, but i'd be shocked if she's anything more than a break even player (feel that assuming she's down overall is a safe assumption) and absolute zero chance she is able to earn enough to cover her monthly nut even with the sponsorships she has

she lives an incredibly expensive lifestyle

You’re the one saying she’s playing on family money. She claims KK: My mom told my dad, 'If you give your daughter one dollar to play poker, we will divorce.'

Didn’t say her exhusband playing made her good I’m saying he had money from poker why would she need family money to gamble. She has a lot of ****ed up things in her history I thought she cheated on her husband with another player and some other stuff don’t really have a good opinion of her but don’t really see a reason why to claim her family supports her lifestyle when there’s no proof/she’s said otherwise.

ok so the child of a billionaire is out there living a jet set lifestyle and demonstrating at best skills that could probably be a tiny winner at a 1-2 game and you're going to believe she magically makes all that money from secret private games and does not get it from her family because she once said she didn't receive money from them? got it.

The "position of power" argument is total BS. It's not like Nick was a high school principal hitting on his senior students. A lot of the flack is coming from people who are basically competitors as well or otherwise have an axe to grind. Kitty is a sponsored pro/affiliate for GG Poker, Julia afaik hosts/agents for private/app games that constantly poach players from the casinos. Airball is salty because he got banned from the Hustler for doing stuff that would get the casino in trouble with AML regulations, which every LA casino is sensitive to after the Bike has gotten raided and literally taken over by the federal government before for that. Garrett got his brain broken after the J4 hand and will use any opportunity to attack the show. Saying pro players are contractors is a totally insane argument, it's like saying a guy with vending machines who buys sodas at Costco to resell at at a markup is a Costco contractor.

Nick started and made HCL what it is then gets it taken away from him

For this analogy to work it would have to be illegal to sell sodas outside of big box stores’ parking lots.

The catalyst for all these allegations coming out is the initial allegation from one of his ex employees. The stuff we are arguing about is in addition to that issue. So I’m not seeing how Nick is a victim for “losing” his company.

I don’t even understand the crux of your argument. You know you can get fired for sexually harassing customers right? “They could leave” isn’t a get out of jail free card

he hasn't lost ****. did ryan buy him out?

Expanding sexual harassment to "a guy complimented my tits with a text" takes away from actual sexual harassment claims. The KK story if it even happened also happened when they were both players on another live stream so there's no business owner/customer relationship there.

ItÂ’s not like she was playing the 500-1000 games when I played with her she was trying to grind 10-20 her ex was in BobbyÂ’s room playing big so your story of her having infinite funds from her family and firing huge because of that is not consistent with what I saw but this was a while ago maybe things have changed. I really donÂ’t think she plays big though itÂ’s not like nick or Lynne they jumped from playing 5-10 regularly and not really winning to playing 400-800 which screamed outside funds. She grinded 10-20 and 20-40 for a lot of years and when she would play bigger it’d be like 50-100 or 100-200 not huge. I also kinda assumed she was like every other influencer and just portrays a lifestyle theyÂ’re not actually living because 99% of people who live like that don’t actually flash it all over social media but who knows.

Story over, moving on.

You are creating a straw man. Lauren is the individual who has potential claims for hostile work environment, wrongful termination, retaliation as a whistleblower, etc.

That said, Nick did not send a text saying nice tits, he asked her to send him nudes so he could jerk off to them. Why minimize / trivialize the impact that could have on someone? When you have the privilege of never having to endure something like that you might want to check yourself before you make the comment.

I have often thought the next poker boom would come from more women playing. That never happens until the environment feels much safer and more welcoming. Nick is creating the opposite.

Because the impact that would have on someone is trivial and the public outcry about it should be minimal.

California has this weird attitude where it's ok, even applauded to be a pimp/pornographer/prostitute but if a fat guy hits on old mid women it's the worst thing that ever happened. The only "trauma" happening here is some women coming to the realization that certain women are marriage material and other women are mistress for a fat guy with sprayed on hair material, and they're raging mad they ended up on the side of the equation they didn't want to be on.

10-20 is a massive starting point in poker and 50-100 and 100-200 are huge games. I think your perspective is sort of warped, sorry. What kind of recreationals do you think start off by casually playing 10-20 in vegas?

Just to be clear; you’re on Nick’s side because you view one of the many incidents as bad game? Still trying to figure out the crux of your argument… you’re pro randomly blurting out “can you send me a picture of your tits so I can jerk off” in casual conversation with women? You think men should be able to ask that in the middle of a business conversation with their customers without jeopardizing their livelihoods? Help me out here

Yeah I think wrecking a guy's livelihood cause he asked for a tit pic is absurd.

She didnÂ’t start there thatÂ’s just when I saw her. She was already married when I played with her and playing at least a couple years at that point and like I said her husband had a pretty big bankroll AFAIK although he wasnÂ’t playing as often at that point. There was no way given the way she played she just hopped in 10-20 she was pretty strong player tbh I donÂ’t know why rickroll said she was weak and could barely beat 1-2. She was on the tighter side though I don't think she would get regular invites to private games. I canÂ’t be the only one whoÂ’s played with her sheÂ’s been around poker a long time like 10+years… IÂ’ve heard a lot of people say bad things about her but never she was a weak player vs the field.

you sweet summer child coming up with all these imagined scenarios instead of looking at occam's razor

I mean OccamÂ’s razor says that a traditional Asian family would never support their daughter who went against all their desires and that she would openly say they abandoned her when they didnÂ’t but i guess itÂ’s impossible to know. More then likely she was on her own for a while and then they changed their minds later in life. I just donÂ’t understand why u think sheÂ’s a weak player for no reason

>50% chance this was an intentional ploy by Feldman, Airball, etc to get total control of the platform (not framed, just exploited an opportunity--the dick pic thing is obv real)

100% chance mob rule and frontier justice ends badly for society

it wouldn't be the first time. Limon basically got pushed out of LATB and then when it predictably failed afterwards Nick was there with the bankroll to fund a new thing then once it gets big enough that it can sustain its own success he gets pushed out of there too.

Normally the woke mob canceling someone is random people on the internet, not some of the person's closest friends and business partners...

I'm taking the No at -900

Irrelevant. The woke mob is so predictable now with their faux outrage that they're easily weaponized.

i always wanted NVG to become a politics forum. thanks guys!

the mental gymnastics you'll make are so insane i now highly suspect you are kitty