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03-28-2009 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RainFall
Was there any stipulation saying he couldn't be on pseudoephedrine or cocaine or some stimulant? Don't forget that!
Think man think.

The name of the distance running game is to keep your heart rate down. Coke would have his heart racing before he even started. Doing that MIGHT help sprinters but running a mile on coke would have you really winded after your first 220 yards.

No the goal here is to condition your body to run 70 second quarters. Man I hope he gets there.
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03-28-2009 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by phillipemoren
How much training would be required and what types of training would it take for a completely sedentary man to reach a sub 5 min mile?

I was a top level runner in high school and a competitive college runner in both cross country and track. I ran in the low 4:20's in the mile but was a better 5k runner on the track. A few years ago at age 30 I decided to try to break 5:00 again in the mile to see if I could still do it by the end of the summer. I was a 6 day a week runner and had run the Boston Marathon in April. So that was my starting point...

I put together a 16 week training program where I ran 200 meter repeats on Monday, ran a ladder on Thursday's...200,400,600,800,600,400,200. In between had easy 5 mile days and ran a tempo 5 or 6 mile hard run on Saturdays. Took Sunday off. By the end of the summer I ran a 4:44.

So just to recap...I was a lifelong competitive runner who had won a ton of mile races in his life. I had just run a marathon, and also undertook a 16 week training plan designed specifically for the mile. I would estimate that I could have run 5:15 or so before I trained for 16 weeks. I was still only able to get to 4:44.

He would have absolutely, positively no chance to do this. He'll figure this out and the bet will not go down. He would literally need infinity to 1 to accurately describe his chances.
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03-28-2009 , 06:30 PM
I would definetely bet against Huck here. I was track and cross country runner in HS not too long ago and with the amount of training i got i only got under 5 min twice, however my event wasnt the mile.

Needs a rediculous amount of training everyday with maybe a day off once a week.
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03-28-2009 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by phillipemoren
How much training would be required and what types of training would it take for a completely sedentary man to reach a sub 5 min mile?
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Originally Posted by Takeover
totally depends on age.

at 16, 6 months min.
at 25, 1 year.
at 35, 3 years.
at 45+ 5 years.

imo (i could be off on 35/45)
theres just a huge percentage of the pop (even trained ppl) that simply dont have the genetics to run sub 5. and sub 440 is just exponentially more rare.

fwiw i ran a sub 5 when i was 17 and not one other player on my soccer team was within like 30s. we were a very athletic team too. my time woulda put me pretty deep in the track meets too.

not too many ppl can do that, no matter how much they train.
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03-28-2009 , 06:33 PM
I remember being in terrific shape and only being able to do about 5:20.

But if he's already in good shape and hires a coach and dedicates to training and nutrition for the rest of the year he has a shot, long legs and long strides will help.
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03-28-2009 , 06:38 PM
huck has been known to be FREAKISHLY athletic. only a few years ago he taught himself to do a standing backflip in a very short period of time to win a bet. i bet he is a favorite at 33-1. not at 20-1 but 33-1 maybe.
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03-28-2009 , 06:41 PM
at 40 this is doable if he has a strong running background. He will have to train a hell of a lot to get it done, but depending on what his PB was in the past and how many miles he has been putting in will gauge if he has a shot. Also if he can get a coach and someone to train with and for a lot of money he may just be able to pull this off.
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03-28-2009 , 06:53 PM
Paging Irieguy.
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03-28-2009 , 06:55 PM
On second thought I think 100,000-1 would be an appropriate bet.
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03-28-2009 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ImprovinNewbie
huck has been known to be FREAKISHLY athletic. only a few years ago he taught himself to do a standing backflip in a very short period of time to win a bet. i bet he is a favorite at 33-1. not at 20-1 but 33-1 maybe.
I did a backflip when I was in the low 180s. 20 pounds heavier now so I doubt it. I don't think it requires incredible athleticism or anything, definitely a skill though
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03-28-2009 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by killsadie
i would never bet against huck seed on anything!
This
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03-28-2009 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by lwrunner103
On second thought I think 100,000-1 would be an appropriate bet.
Add a zero or 2 and it gets closer. BTW, I love when people make personal challenges like this...but it has to be something that is realistically worth talking about. Only runners can truly know how goofy this is.
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03-28-2009 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Carnivore
I remember being in terrific shape and only being able to do about 5:20.

But if he's already in good shape and hires a coach and dedicates to training and nutrition for the rest of the year he has a shot, long legs and long strides will help.
Just the opposite. In the mile, it's all about leg turnover. A 4:39 mile is very, very good. You have to be born with an innate level of speed just to be eligible to run that fast (with a ton of training and years of base work on top of that).
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03-28-2009 , 07:06 PM
Huck Seed offered me 100:1 at the WSOP of him winning a tournament he was in, but the thing is he was down to one chip with like 200 people left. He apparently likes to make bets no one will take or take bets he cant win.
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03-28-2009 , 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RedManPlus
Actually, here's a 46 year old at 4:13...


http://masterstrack.com/blog/005333.html
Did everyone saying they would bet their life at 100,000-1 even notice this post?

What YOU could do doesn't matter. What an average 40-year-old could do doesn't matter. What a former NCAA miler at age 30 could do doesn't matter.

What matters is that somebody six years older than Huck has DONE it, and in fact, has beaten the proposed time by 26 seconds.

So unless you are intimately familiar with the current conditioning level and genetic makeup of Huck Seed, don't be so quick to LOL him off the planet. It might still be a bad line for Huck at 33-1, but NOBODY posting here knows that for sure.
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03-28-2009 , 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Steelerman
Just the opposite. In the mile, it's all about leg turnover. A 4:39 mile is very, very good. You have to be born with an innate level of speed just to be eligible to run that fast (with a ton of training and years of base work on top of that).
what height is the best height for running a fast mile?
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03-28-2009 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Takeover
totally depends on age.

at 16, 6 months min.
at 25, 1 year.
at 35, 3 years.
at 45+ 5 years.

imo (i could be off on 35/45)
When I was 17 I ran 5:08 first day of football practice and I hadn't trained for anything past 40-50 yard sprints and I weighed 235 lbs. No way it takes a 16 year old 6 months to go sub 5 minutes.

Last edited by KatoKrazy; 03-28-2009 at 07:27 PM. Reason: Yes I agree, everything second sub 5 in exponentially harder.
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03-28-2009 , 07:24 PM
As long as the is no trick, something like he can wear the roller shoes or down a steep hill he has no shot.
So there has to be a kink somewhere for him to make this bet, I hope.
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03-28-2009 , 07:28 PM
Lol when I was in high school i broke 6 minutes once, i was ecstatic.
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03-28-2009 , 07:30 PM
just did a quick google search and found some race results for huck seed's brother... he has run 1:50 for the 800 and 4:13 for the mile... not sure if those are his bests or not
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03-28-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by phillipemoren
what height is the best height for running a fast mile?
1 mile high

i'm so slow if i fell out of a plane 1 mile up i would take about 6:34 to hit
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03-28-2009 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
When I was 17 I ran 5:08 first day of football practice and I hadn't trained for anything past 40-50 yard sprints and I weighed 235 lbs. No way it takes a 16 year old 6 months to go sub 5 minutes.
5:08 with no training is insanely quick. If you take a random 16 year old they wont go under 5 minutes in 6 months no matter how much you train them
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03-28-2009 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Steelerman
I was a top level runner in high school and a competitive college runner in both cross country and track. I ran in the low 4:20's in the mile but was a better 5k runner on the track. A few years ago at age 30 I decided to try to break 5:00 again in the mile to see if I could still do it by the end of the summer. I was a 6 day a week runner and had run the Boston Marathon in April. So that was my starting point...

I put together a 16 week training program where I ran 200 meter repeats on Monday, ran a ladder on Thursday's...200,400,600,800,600,400,200. In between had easy 5 mile days and ran a tempo 5 or 6 mile hard run on Saturdays. Took Sunday off. By the end of the summer I ran a 4:44.

So just to recap...I was a lifelong competitive runner who had won a ton of mile races in his life. I had just run a marathon, and also undertook a 16 week training plan designed specifically for the mile. I would estimate that I could have run 5:15 or so before I trained for 16 weeks. I was still only able to get to 4:44.

He would have absolutely, positively no chance to do this. He'll figure this out and the bet will not go down. He would literally need infinity to 1 to accurately describe his chances.

I'm convinced.
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03-28-2009 , 07:40 PM
I think it is possible he can do this, but only VERY slightly. 33 to 1 seems like good odds to me. I ran middle distance until I was 17 when I suffered a serious ankle fracture which left me limping every time I tried to run for nearly 10 years. At that age though I ran a 4.08 mile which was the best in the country for the under 18's.

I am just a couple of years off 40 myself. My ankle wouldn't hold me back at all now, and I am in good shape, but I am still not sure I could pull off a 4.39 - Maybe with 6 months, a great trainer, a good track, the right weather and pace-setters. But even then I am not sure!

I assume this will be on a standard track? No banked corners etc?

Last edited by areyoulocal?; 03-28-2009 at 07:52 PM.
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03-28-2009 , 07:41 PM
Does he need to run on a track? If not specified run down a steep hill.
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