alwayscall could not be more spot on


lolz at thinking live donks can beat online...a live pro would be an online pro if he was able to beat online

No waitlists, no smelly guy next to you licking his fingers as he eats,no smelly guy coughing on you ect ect

the counterpoint is the games are much more fun

A live pro and online pro could never play heads up because one is online and one is at a physical table. This whole hypothetical is stupid.

is it possible to have two dealers for a live headsup game. everytime one hand ends the other dealer starts dealing a new hand? surely that would speed up the game.

Anyone shitting on this is arrogant I feel. We don't truly know the impact of white magic and this would be a cool way to get a glimpse into it.

loooooolllllll epic troll

How about a combination of the two. Youre sitting in the same room as one another, but playing on laptop to max speed/efficiency playing min 2 tables

I play hu online and always try to play via zoom. Its the best, but in person would definitely be a unique twist. It also makes a huge difference if in regards to match op presented if online reg/live goat knew each other prior to the match and therefore can comfortably trash talk etc.

5k-10k hands will not be a sufficient sample size to determine anything conclusive anyhow.

it's way less time consuming and much more accurate to just take the word of the posters ITT. online pro > live pro, and there is no two ways about it.

many things that online players do without much of a second thought because they are considered the norm are actually cheating by definition, and thats just the less nefarious ****.

online pros effectively treat playing as an open note/open book test when its not is the best analogy i can give. playing live this is not the case, as you can only use the knowledge youve internalized from studying.

that being said, the amount of studying that some online players do absolutely will make them better players fundamentally than live pros who dont do the same amount of work.

Are live HU pros actually a thing?

I haven't heard of many live HU games outside of MTT final tables and the occasional special event. I wonder if there are any live players that specialize in HU Cash.

Solid.

is it not possible both are good? i mean in this thread it's either "live pros will crush online nerds" or "online player is superior because he plays more hands." why a live pro can't play online while most of his income comes from live? live games are many times softer so there are many people who play both online and live. this discussion seems to be about players who ONLY play live or online, i think there are like zero pros who play only the other one. this discussion is very polarized. live players offended by the nerds, nerds trying to tell live players why they cannot be as good as them. i thought 2+2 was occupied with pretty clever people, but sometimes i doubt.

Of course there there are pros who exclusively play online or live, and an exclusive online player will crush an exclusive live player.

yea there are like 3 50 years old guys who play exclusively live. also all the online pros are seen in live games all the time. like jungle vs polk, i think they are considered as "online pros" but they play live all the time. i don't agree that there are that many players who play exclusively the other form, if you can use internet, as a poker player, you will play online too. so this debate consideres like 5 individuals in the whole world so.. could someone name any player who is not known to play both at some extent? even doyle has played online ffs

you clearly don't understand the dichotomy of poker players.

i don't understand dichotomy too lazy to google

i mean what i was saying was that the pool is pretty homogenic, not as dichotomized as ths topic is saying.

werent mj and wiktor supposed to play a 2mm freezeout ?

google is amazing.

yes, but you are wrong. there are clear differences between online and live players, just as there is a difference between a tournament player and a cash grinder.

What if they both played in a nine handed live game against typical 1-3 tourists playing 1-3?

That was close to the norm in Costa Rica full table live games for a while. Someone would shuffle the prior hand deck while the dealer dealt, then hand a freshly shuffled deck to the dealer, gather the prior hand cards, shuffle those to hand off when ready.

I don't see why you could not have 5+ people constantly shuffling 5+ played out decks to keep up with one pair of heads-up players..... not sure why that would be considered an improvement. Is speed of play really an issue to the players in live heads-up play ?

lol, David, I recall you once watched me for a short time in a $1-2 live game at the Bellagio. Your comment to me was, "You know you don't have to play every hand ?"

I thought then and still do that illustrated the difference between a recreational player and a pro.

They both put their pants on one leg at a time, but only the online player can forgo pants entirely while playing.

The quality of discourse on this forum can sink to a lowest common denominator pretty rapidly. There is no barrier to anyone posting whatever they think entertaining, informative, snide, or rhetorically fitting. You can't expect a straight forward discussion.

2 people shuffling is already a very clear improvement. why wouldn't heads up players want to play more hands just like every other player in the room? of course they do. however, 5+ shufflers is definitely not needed.