You are pretty much consistently the worst poster on 2p2, which is saying quite a lot.

This is what I thought was the point of good2cu doing the video in the first place - to help further the "brand name". Seems like that helps you get noticed in the poker community. I realize that it can come across as d-baggery, but the people who know him irl say he's a good guy and so I don't get all the hate.

I wish I had Photoshop skills - this thread cries out for one with the "Leave Britney Alone" guy

This guy is a complete **** head, a lot like EM2, i do not know who is worse

http://www.michaelgodard.com/index.p...id=26&album=10

Robl is such troll fuel, no matter what he does.

I wouldn't even want to see what I'd look like in front of a camera when I was 21, especially if I had money.

Much respect for him putting together a plan this past year or so and working what I would imagine to be very hard to get it.

And WTF is a Lange? Googling pointed me to ski boots and pet grooming equipment. Kinda baller, I guess.

funny. you went to KU and you called lawrence your home. but of course, if you insist that you are not from kansas and have no affiliation there... who cares.

just the fact that you would so quickly disown kansas speaks volumes about your character.

(much like the character of many people from kansas. ironic that the more you try to be something else, you just end up being more yourself. lol)

True. But his life path and choices(unless he changes) will deny him ever having the self assured charisma that define people like Doyle Brunson, Eli Elezra, Hoyt Corkins, etc.

Obviously this is the true part of this thread.

When I used to be more active on 2+2 this type of thing didn't happen very much because all of the "known" members of the 2+2 community wouldn't let people get away with acting like jealous, hatefull little punks.

Clearly NVG is just a free-for-all populated primarily by under-aged busto posttards but still the forum would be much more fun if we supported one another. Andrew is a long time 2+2er who rose from busto high school internet poker wannabe (like all the haters here but without any hate) to one of the very few elite players in the world capable of beating high-stakes online, high-stakes live, and high-stakes tournament poker. It's not like this was Phil Hellmuth's HSL.

Congratulations Andrew and shame on the moderators and experienced posters for allowing this type of vitriol to flourish. It degrades the 2+2 community and ultimately just leaves a bad taste in the mouthes of the hundreds of players who have made most of their friends and money due largely to the existence of this site.

I really can't believe the inanity at work here. Even if you are a busto fish with no self esteem, wouldn't you like Good2cu, Apathy, Raptor, Durrr, Jman, Usher, et al to post about news views and gossip? They're more likely than most to have good stories and insight.

My opinion is that we should avoid alienating and ridiculing the long-time members of 2+2 who are achieving the most success. This seems quite obvious to me for reasons that extend beyond what I have already suggested. Not to mention the fact that being a jerk is so hugely - LifeEV that it's likely never worthwhile to act like one.

Irieguy

Not just "pet grooming equiptment".

THE Pet Grooming Equipment...

I went busto and Raptor was trying to help me figure out some kind of a trade to keep the bills paid... so if anyone in the Chicago, IL area is in need of pet grooming services, IM for rates.

Irieguy wins this thread. Just like every other thread he posts in.

so is good2cu going to play christophers in a grudge match or what? lets keep this thread on track people, christ.

Hmmmm....really? Sorry for using real world logic here instead of 2p2 ego logic when discussing things.

I'm also guessing you're under 25...you'll learn soon enough! The high life doesn't last forever.

PS...I work in the media biz for a living...I know how advertisers and businessmen think and spend their money.

If you don't like my views about someone who seems to have a larger questionable rep...that's fine. But making a claim like you did after reading 2-3 posts in one thread is simply whacked!

I'll take an older, mature, modest pro anyday to endorse my product over a young, immature person like G2CU anyday and everyday for the next 10 years...we'll see who's got more sponsorship bank and who's product would sell more.

Older players relate to established pros...older players also have a lot more money on average than your average 18-25 yr. old. Convince me how avg. Joe at home that's looking to pick an online site to play on...is gonna see a commercial with Andrew on it and wanna play there based on his image?

Might happen 2 out of 10...but watching a Doyle, Hellmuth, DN, Ivey, etc. that seems real and more modest is make avg. Joe's money fly out quicker than he count it!

Trust me!

So has anyone figured out what a Lange is?

While I agree with the direction of your overall intent, there's a couple of things that don't make sense.

-One can't express a neg. opinion of what someone's house looks like just because they've posted here only for a little while?

I'll agree the personal attacks have made it spiral sideways hard, but for some vets to assume (and post here) that most everyone that doesn't like g2cu is a young busto fish is really well...a total double standard to your overall point IMO.

-Yes...I would like to hear stories from some the 2p2 vets. Most of the time it's what I read here...some interesting insight into play, etc. But sometimes, some of the "vets" come crashing down on non-vets when they have a different view...which in turn causes the non-vets to spew their dislike about a vet...which sometimes leads to this stuff here!

Lastly though...I don't think it's right to say that this thread is the epittamy of what's bad. Obviously, some of the neg. posters vs. g2cu have obv. had a personal neg. run-in with him or have witnessed him act wrongly to others online...hence their neg. hateful opinion of him. It's just natural order of occurence IMO.

I do respect what you have to say...since you seem to keep things level in any posts of yours that I have read.

If it's not true and these posters don't mean anything to the vets, why bother responding and trashing the haters in return?

Hope you see my POV...

Much respect...

JBS 1273

wtf are you talking about? i went to school at KU, i lived 5 years, i am from Minnesota. i am not even going to waste my time with the other bull**** you said.

I'll take a wild guess that it's the 3rd result from google's search for Lange

i highly doubt more than 1 in 20 people that talk crap and spew negativity about andrew have ever met him/had personal run in.

when i bought my dog shadow, i had no1 to take care of him, clip his toenails, comb his lush coat, or give him the 3 walks a day he so deserves. luckily, watchmaker came to my aid, and we have been very close ever since.

I said...had a personal run-in or have witnessed something he did online. I also forgot about reading something here or elsewhere and forming their own opinion of him being a jerk or whatver they want to call it.

In order to develop a neg. opinion of someone...there has to be a line of information that's caused them develop said neg. opinion.

you talkin **** ????

Look. You gotta admit. It's some pretty sick grooming gear. I mean, compared to the stuff they're importing out of China these days- the offerings by Lange are like, 'Westminster Kennel Club' hard core.

As an aside, if I ever move up to the highest levels and they do High Stakes Living at my place, I envision myself opening the door and letting Lizzy in, then greeting her by saying "So, this is my pad. The reason I had you over is because I wanted to read the all the internet threads about how much of a dump my place is and how big of a douche I am... Anyway, this is the 2000 gallon fishtank.... "

Just Livin'

Irieguy

His episode is like an old school meet new school, where the old school was Doyle and two other well known live pros, and the new school was Andrew, Brian Townsend and someone else. I have no idea about results. The reason Andrew was picked was largely due to how many hours he has put in live and im guessing his table presence and personality impressed someone really high up to get him picked.

Well, the craiglist stuff im not touching. Someone made a wild guess, i dont think its relevent whether he did advertise on craigslist or not, whatever.

Getting noticed is what poker sites want. That is why FTP has been sponsoring a lot of people who arent even close to the poker skills that Andrew has. That said, he is certainly heading in the right direction and im sure given the choice between him and half the random nobodies that FTP is signing (linky) i know who is going to get face time between Andrew and some rando like Biorac who seems to have been picked simply because he is from Russia or Poland or whatever (like most of the clearly lesser players they have signed).

Would you choose Negreanu over him, obv, but as far as young online players go i would pick him over a LOT of names because he wants to go out there and sell himself and by that token he will be selling the site he is tagged to.

Most of these so called "older pros" are broke degen losers. With g2cu you have someone who doesnt play the pit, who seems relatively open in front of a camera (he certainly hasnt been on the media training courses a lot of signed pros are sent on) and he is a truly quality player.

outstanding. i am tired of you blundering into threads where your opinions are pointless/irrelevant. i really hope that you never reply to my posts again. now if you can only follow through with what you say....

I liked how he was humble about not being born with great poker instincts but instead admitted he learned a lot from poker books. That was very undouche like, and he should get some credit for not doing the whole "I never read poker books" bull****.