You didn't answer any of the questions of the post you were responding too. Also I know this tournament did not cancel its guarantee. In your previous post you mentioned tournaments doing this in the past so that is why I asked the question. Try to keep up.

I was not referring to anything that happened in the past. I was mocking a stupid post.

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It’s an immutable law of nature that those who bitchwhine the loudest over a shrinking overlay are the same ones getting felted in Level 2 after “finally getting my Ace-King”, making any overlay pointless to begin with.

They’re also probably the ones paying full price buy ins.

I always wondered why I’d see tournament directors on twitter flying in private jets with poker players and eating extravagant meals. I’ve never seen an nba ref or official from any other sport, posting on Twitter that they get to fly with “the good ones”

I mean, all they do is the job they’re paid to do, what would make someone want to spend money on them and fly around the world with them?

And now it all makes sense. These tournament directors have the right to give away money,seats, hotel rooms, etc,. To whoever they want, with no legal obligation to make it public

You don’t see dealers in private jets with poker players, because the dealers can’t give them anything.

You don’t see waiters on the jets either. Just the TDS. Hmmmmm

Seems like something needs to change

And before anyone says that casinos do this in the pits, that doesn’t affect my edge. Someone being put into a tournament for free, can definitely affect everybody who is playing in that tournament.

One could argue a high roller playing blackjack could mess up someones edge, but they have the luxury of being able to stop playing. When playing a poker tournament, you don’t have that luxury

What if they put Sorel Mizzi in for free? Everybody ok with that? And I’m not saying that because of his past, I’m saying that solely because he’s somebody that most people don’t want freerolling the tournament they buy into

NVG in full form this AM. Please tell me you are joking here. If not, please go on about this massive scandal you have uncovered.

Many TDs now wondering how they missed all the rides on private jets and extravagant meals.


lol, well done.

Like when backers put in players of Mizzi caliber for free? You ok with that?

they better for damn sure have the same "promotion" for every tournament they run.

regardless if they smash the guarantee by 100x and it better be offered at the same time or earlier to a certain rewards level

That's funny, because the people I see chasing these overlays the hardest are the so called "pros"

Since this has become a troll fest without any new useful information, the time has come to lock it up. If anything of substance comes up post in the NVG moderation thread and any NVG mod can reopen.

I am going to re-open the thread since Josem has posted some relevant information in the Moderation thread that I will now move into this thread.

But, please please please, let's try to keep this thread on topic and free of "trolling" comments. I trust that everybody has had their say in that vein already.

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One could argue a high roller playing blackjack could mess up someones edge, but they have the luxury of being able to stop playing. When playing a poker tournament, you don’t have that luxury


I was playing a $500 buy in $75k guarantee in Vancouver while back and a guy at my table was given a buy in from the high stakes baccarat room...he had racks totalling $380k in front of him and couldn't care less about this tourney...played super aggressive and got there knocking out my table almost single handed ended up finishing 4th I heard.

@josem: Did you talk to a single person who thought that Westgate/HPT did something illegal here?

I briefly asked a lawyer friend about the situation and he said that based on the little information I gave him, he doesn't see anything that suggested an illegal form of price discrimination. His disclaimer was that he has no knowledge of gaming law and that a practice like that might be in violation of a specific gaming regulation in that jurisdiction.

I'm really interested in understanding why price discrimination in that context might be illegal, especially considering that the WSOP is allowed to give females a 90% discount on the buy-in to the Ladies Event. That discount has full effect on the price pool, $10k go into the price pool from men and $1k from women.

If you want a legal opinion, the Gambling with an Edge podcast regularly has attorney Bob Nersesian on to field listener questions about gaming law. They just had him on recently, so it might be a while, but occasionally there is some poker-related information.

No one suggested that to me, it didn't even come up in discussion. I am not familiar with whatever local laws apply here, but given that most anti-discrimination laws relate to discrimination along various protected attributes, I can't imagine that would be an issue.

The GCB is very strict on having written, published rules for all promotions and giveaways. If someone were to file a grievance and bring them a well documented case, including the video, I suspect that would be the area that the GCB would be likely to take issue.

Guys dont even want to send an email

How can you determine that the different buy-ins weren't attributed to some specific, discriminatory group?

There was some mention of Matusow's friends and The Trooper's followers.

Not sure if “degen” qualifies as a race, religion or gender?

I am going to check the Sherman Act to see if Mike Matusow or the Trooper are mentioned there.

He can't, and I don't think he said he could.

I'm not sure how that's relevant. If you think it is, you might want to look into what anti-discrimination laws are.

Hi Everyone:

Over 30 years ago there was a tournament held at the Riviera Hotel & Casino in Las Vegas called Go for The Gold which was a California Ace-to-Five tournament. What they did different was offer a First Prize of $100,000; a Second Prize of $50,000, and a Third Prize of $25,000. The buyin was $1,000, there was no juice, and there would be rebuys.

What players didn’t understand was that no matter how many entries and rebuys there were the prizes did not change, and rebuys were sold until a very late point in the tournament. Also, I believe they didn’t give many starting chips for the initial stakes which also encouraged rebuys. Players were furious when they understood what had happened and the tournament was never held again, but I doubt if anything illegal was done.

Best wishes,
Mason

Turdzilla,

I'm tempted to think that you're just some clueless troll who hasn't understood whatever little you've read here, but to give you the benefit of the doubt...

I never did determine that the different buy-ins weren't on the basis of some protected group - because as I said in the post that you quoted we didn't discuss this issue.

If the tournament directors are offering these discounts to players on a you scratch my back / ill scratch yours basis and not on the basis of the value it offers to stakeholders that's a problem but the victims are not the people already in the tournament.

As it stands we don't know if that happened or even if it's possible. It depends on how vigilant upper management is in requiring that TDs justify their rationale for handing out these perks. Flying with them on private jets doesn't imply that something unethical was done though. Their job likely requires a lot of communication and negotiation with pros for a variety of reasons related to promoting the tournament and filling the guarantee. If mizzi was given a discounted price it could very well be contingent on him promoting the tournament or casino through social media.