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11-13-2014 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by shulenberger
Sorry Selbst watchers, that is a dude.
So you're saying Selbst was there?
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11-14-2014 , 05:58 PM
I like that he is trying to do a Clark Kent and wear dark frame glasses as his disguise. Hey if it worked for Superman...
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11-14-2014 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GMLAW
But like I said, she was is South Africa, so it wasn't her... ;-)
Was she 100% definitely in South Africa? And is it not possible she could have made the journey between the locations within the given time period?

The Tre-fi pic definitely looks like her face.

And the pic in the OP definitely looks like the back of her head.


Just seems an unlikely coincide for a person who looks just like Vanessa from the back to be photographed to the left of Howard at the event and then for a person who's face looks exactly like Vanessa's also to Howards left and for it not to be Vanessa.
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11-14-2014 , 08:38 PM
so absurd that it is still somehow news in the poker world when howard is spotted in public. get over it people.
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11-14-2014 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
so absurd that it is still somehow news in the poker world when howard is spotted in public. get over it people.

Ok Howard
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07-29-2022 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerIsTooEasy
Hasn't he always looked miserable? Doubt he really is though. He's living the high life.
Ya think....made a deal with the doj for 2milly and SCAMMED MILLIONS from the poor players on the site.. and he is kinda nervy actually.
He bought a huge house in las vegas ..nice cars..etc... land... .. Hes the man for sure...lolol
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07-29-2022 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
If the only people allowed in the poker hall of fame were people who weren't scammers or cheats, it would be a pretty empty hall.
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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16
same could be said with baseball or footballl
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
So which football and baseball players who are in the hall of fame scammers and cheaters?
OJ Simpson is in both the college and pro football hall of fame.
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07-29-2022 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by EasyGo
OJ Simpson is in both the college and pro football hall of fame.
He cheated at football?
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07-29-2022 , 11:45 PM
What about Pete Rose to add to the OJ Simpson comment? And all Rose did was bet. No cheating. Howard Lederer is a million times worse than Pete Rose ever thought of being. Rose should be in the baseball hall of fame. OJ was in football hall of fame before ever getting in trouble, too.
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07-29-2022 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
He cheated at football?
Don't know, but he did admit to cheating on Nicole in his civil trial.
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07-30-2022 , 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by EasyGo
OJ Simpson is in both the college and pro football hall of fame.
Ah, if only you were here with that reply 7.5 years ago when he posted that.
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07-30-2022 , 09:00 AM
heh Doug Polk scammed millions & is running around, Lederer deserves freedom
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07-30-2022 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
He cheated at football?
Did Howard Lederer cheat at football?
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07-30-2022 , 12:01 PM
No, but Vanessa did...
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07-31-2022 , 03:35 AM
The extent to which there are cheaters in the National Baseball Hall of Fame depends on how much weight you put into allegations/rumors, and whether or not you believe gaining from a substance or drug that wasn't outright banned at the time is considered cheating. So with that, consider the following:

• Gaylord Perry (inducted 1991) wrote an entire memoir on throwing a spitball throughout a career that peaked a half-century after that pitch was outlawed. If you've ever seen the comedy Major League, think of the Harris character. That's more or less Perry. Cheating? I say yes, and somehow lovably so.

• Don Sutton (inducted 1998) was often suspected for scuffing baseballs, and was ejected from a few games for doing so. And suspect, schmuspect... Whitey Ford (ind. 1974) fully admitted to doing this throughout his career. Cheating? Sure, why not?

• Long before kambo shamen and frog poison, Babe Ruth (ind. 1939) reportedly tried injecting himself with an extract from a sheep's testicles in the hopes that it would improve his game. Cheating? Supposedly, it didn't work and actually made him sick, but that he tried it as a way to get an edge at least puts this as "attempted cheating," right? Again, hard to say. I'd say no overall. There was no rule against it because why the hell would someone think up a rule against that???

• I didn't know of this until writing this post and looking up details for the previous entry, but Pud Galvin (ind. 1965) tried a technique similar to – and perhaps inspiration for – Babe Ruth's experiment: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...her-of-juicing. Cheating? Again, no overall. To me, it's just experimenting with something so out there that no one bothered to create a rule governing it. This would be like a modern-day ballplayer wondering what happens if he butt-chugs concentrated yerba mate to see if it produces a boost.

• Burleigh Grimes (ind. 1964) pitched for 14 years after the spitball was outlawed, but was allowed to still use the pitch due to some grandfather clause. Was he cheating? I say no, because of the grandfather clause. But the bottom line is that he used a technique that gives a player an unfair advantage, and he did so for the entirety of his career. I'm sure many NVGers will look askance at it.

• Baseball was lousy with amphetamines like "greenies," the nickname for dexedrine pills, throughout the 1960s through 1970s and likely into the 1990s and early 2000s. The rumor – and it's only a rumor – is that Ted Williams (ind. 1966) introduced amphetamines to the game after using it during his wartime service. Multiple player testified to getting greenies from Willie Stargell (ind. 1988), while John Milner claimed he obtained a liquid form nicknamed "red juice" from Willie Mays (ind. 1979). Jim Bouton wrote openly about the rampant use of greenies in his book Ball Four, but I don't remember if he named specific names. Still, the fact remains that a good number of players likely used some form of amphetamine for decades, and it stands to reason several of them are in NBHOF. Cheating? It's iffy because we don't really know how many actually used them, they weren't technically forbidden from baseball, and the jury is still out as to how much they helped.

• Tim Raines (ind. 2017) spoke and later wrote quite candidly about his cocaine use in the 1980s. The use of the powder reached a point where baseball suspended 11 players, although Raines and star Paul Molitor (ind. 1984) were not among that group. Cheaters? I don't know enough about cocaine to know if it hurts more than it helps overall to be on that stuff, but one can envision some circumstances where it could technically serve as a PED.

• In the wake of the Houston Astros sign-stealing scandal, Blackjack McDowell claimed Tony LaRussa (ind. 2014) used a similar operation while managing the White Sox in the 1980s. Carlton Fisk (ind. 2000) and Harold Baines (ind. 2018) were among the South Side stars of that era. Cheating? If true, sure, but that's a big if. As for the legacies of Fisk and Baines, even if the allegation is true, it's impossible to know how often it was used, and it's fair to say their inductions did not hinge on a few extra hits during that span of their career.

• Hank Greenberg (ind. 1956) stated outright that his Tigers used an elaborate sign-stealing scheme in 1940, the year his team won the pennant and he won the MVP award. Per Greenberg's autobiography, the Tigers' operation involved putting people with rifle scopes in the upper deck, then relaying the info to the dugout. Greenberg even said he knew where the confederates were sitting and didn't need the signal from the dugout because he could see the signal from the batter's box. It's worth pointing out that stealing signs is not in itself illegal. And stealing signs by use of some sort of mechanical or electronic device did not become illegal until years later. Cheating? Pretty gray an area, but I lean toward no due to the rules (or lack thereof) banning such actions.

• George Brett (ind. 1999) famously and hilariously got ejected from a game for having the pine tar extend too far down the barrel of the bat. The rules call for 18 inches, his extended a good six inches beyond that. Cheating? I'd say no. It was one game out of 2,707 Brett played, and one home run out of 317 he hit. Plus, the rule in question had nothing to do with a player gaining any advantage. I include it because it's still one of my favorite moments as a baseball fan, and because I know there are some people who have an overall "if they break a rule, it's cheating" philosophy.
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07-31-2022 , 04:35 AM
... and it didnt matter. you just like drama.
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07-31-2022 , 02:07 PM
It's the government's fault Full Tilt went under. Leave Howard alone. Didn't everyone get paid anyway after the PokerStars bailout??
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07-31-2022 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by WiseBeyondYears
It's the government's fault Full Tilt went under. Leave Howard alone. Didn't everyone get paid anyway after the PokerStars bailout??

How dare they stop them from stealing. And if you think looting $40+ million had nothing to do with their problems you aren't very bright.
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08-01-2022 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
The extent to which there are cheaters in the National Baseball Hall of Fame depends on how much weight you put into allegations/rumors, and whether or not you believe gaining from a substance or drug that wasn't outright banned at the time is considered cheating. So with that, consider the following:

• George Brett (ind. 1999) famously and hilariously got ejected from a game for having the pine tar extend too far down the barrel of the bat. The rules call for 18 inches, his extended a good six inches beyond that. Cheating? I'd say no. It was one game out of 2,707 Brett played, and one home run out of 317 he hit. Plus, the rule in question had nothing to do with a player gaining any advantage. I include it because it's still one of my favorite moments as a baseball fan, and because I know there are some people who have an overall "if they break a rule, it's cheating" philosophy.
Almost no one ever talks about this, but this was one of the few examples of a MLB game having a protest successfully upheld and they had to play the game some months later at the point of the HR being hit.
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08-01-2022 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WiseBeyondYears
It's the government's fault Full Tilt went under. Leave Howard alone. Didn't everyone get paid anyway after the PokerStars bailout??
nearly 3 years later. I know of atleast one player that killed themselves because they thought they'd never get their money. Ferguson and Lederer lied to rest of world players and ferguson funded them like $5mm to keep them afloat while they continued to take rake from rest of world players. Lederer could've spoken up. literally we all had no clue if we'd ever see a dime and most had a large portion of their bankrolls on there.

They are scum. They likely had no clue about the financials, but they should have. they were just fine with their monthly $1mm stipend. once they found out they covered it up to try and make the site survive and didn't tell anyone fulltilt had 20% of player funds
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08-01-2022 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
The extent to which there are cheaters in the National Baseball Hall of Fame depends on how much weight you put into allegations/rumors, and whether or not you believe gaining from a substance or drug that wasn't outright banned at the time is considered cheating. So with that, consider the following:

• Gaylord Perry (inducted 1991) wrote an entire memoir on throwing a spitball throughout a career that peaked a half-century after that pitch was outlawed. If you've ever seen the comedy Major League, think of the Harris character. That's more or less Perry. Cheating? I say yes, and somehow lovably so.

• Don Sutton (inducted 1998) was often suspected for scuffing baseballs, and was ejected from a few games for doing so. And suspect, schmuspect... Whitey Ford (ind. 1974) fully admitted to doing this throughout his career. Cheating? Sure, why not?

• Long before kambo shamen and frog poison, Babe Ruth (ind. 1939) reportedly tried injecting himself with an extract from a sheep's testicles in the hopes that it would improve his game. Cheating? Supposedly, it didn't work and actually made him sick, but that he tried it as a way to get an edge at least puts this as "attempted cheating," right? Again, hard to say. I'd say no overall. There was no rule against it because why the hell would someone think up a rule against that???

• I didn't know of this until writing this post and looking up details for the previous entry, but Pud Galvin (ind. 1965) tried a technique similar to – and perhaps inspiration for – Babe Ruth's experiment: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...her-of-juicing. Cheating? Again, no overall. To me, it's just experimenting with something so out there that no one bothered to create a rule governing it. This would be like a modern-day ballplayer wondering what happens if he butt-chugs concentrated yerba mate to see if it produces a boost.

• Burleigh Grimes (ind. 1964) pitched for 14 years after the spitball was outlawed, but was allowed to still use the pitch due to some grandfather clause. Was he cheating? I say no, because of the grandfather clause. But the bottom line is that he used a technique that gives a player an unfair advantage, and he did so for the entirety of his career. I'm sure many NVGers will look askance at it.

• Baseball was lousy with amphetamines like "greenies," the nickname for dexedrine pills, throughout the 1960s through 1970s and likely into the 1990s and early 2000s. The rumor – and it's only a rumor – is that Ted Williams (ind. 1966) introduced amphetamines to the game after using it during his wartime service. Multiple player testified to getting greenies from Willie Stargell (ind. 1988), while John Milner claimed he obtained a liquid form nicknamed "red juice" from Willie Mays (ind. 1979). Jim Bouton wrote openly about the rampant use of greenies in his book Ball Four, but I don't remember if he named specific names. Still, the fact remains that a good number of players likely used some form of amphetamine for decades, and it stands to reason several of them are in NBHOF. Cheating? It's iffy because we don't really know how many actually used them, they weren't technically forbidden from baseball, and the jury is still out as to how much they helped.

• Tim Raines (ind. 2017) spoke and later wrote quite candidly about his cocaine use in the 1980s. The use of the powder reached a point where baseball suspended 11 players, although Raines and star Paul Molitor (ind. 1984) were not among that group. Cheaters? I don't know enough about cocaine to know if it hurts more than it helps overall to be on that stuff, but one can envision some circumstances where it could technically serve as a PED.

• In the wake of the Houston Astros sign-stealing scandal, Blackjack McDowell claimed Tony LaRussa (ind. 2014) used a similar operation while managing the White Sox in the 1980s. Carlton Fisk (ind. 2000) and Harold Baines (ind. 2018) were among the South Side stars of that era. Cheating? If true, sure, but that's a big if. As for the legacies of Fisk and Baines, even if the allegation is true, it's impossible to know how often it was used, and it's fair to say their inductions did not hinge on a few extra hits during that span of their career.

• Hank Greenberg (ind. 1956) stated outright that his Tigers used an elaborate sign-stealing scheme in 1940, the year his team won the pennant and he won the MVP award. Per Greenberg's autobiography, the Tigers' operation involved putting people with rifle scopes in the upper deck, then relaying the info to the dugout. Greenberg even said he knew where the confederates were sitting and didn't need the signal from the dugout because he could see the signal from the batter's box. It's worth pointing out that stealing signs is not in itself illegal. And stealing signs by use of some sort of mechanical or electronic device did not become illegal until years later. Cheating? Pretty gray an area, but I lean toward no due to the rules (or lack thereof) banning such actions.

• George Brett (ind. 1999) famously and hilariously got ejected from a game for having the pine tar extend too far down the barrel of the bat. The rules call for 18 inches, his extended a good six inches beyond that. Cheating? I'd say no. It was one game out of 2,707 Brett played, and one home run out of 317 he hit. Plus, the rule in question had nothing to do with a player gaining any advantage. I include it because it's still one of my favorite moments as a baseball fan, and because I know there are some people who have an overall "if they break a rule, it's cheating" philosophy.

Dock Ellis pitched a no hitter on acid


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08-01-2022 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_Beam
So you're saying Selbst was there?
every time I click on this page and see that at the top I laugh...
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08-01-2022 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by BustedNuts16
Dock Ellis pitched a no hitter on acid
Depends on who you ask.

It's kind of a disputed story, in similar vein to Babe Ruth calling his shot, or Ty Cobb's racism. One piece of evidence that debunks the story was his biography: the original 1970s edition says he threw it drunk on vodka, while the LSD story did not come out until a later edition.

Of course, I posit that this discrepancy would be explained away: he was still playing when the original edition streeted, and might not have wanted it known he used an illegal drug like LSD. Thus Ellis might have told the author (Donald Hall) a different story, then had it corrected later. No idea how that works, but it's quite possible.

Personally, I say it happened, but the details of the game have since been increasingly exaggerated.
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08-01-2022 , 11:46 PM
The Doc Ellis story is great, especially for pro-psychedelics people like me. The odds it is real are close to zero. But, it is possible because everything is possible with LSD. We will never know for sure. It would also depend on what stage of the trip he was in. In 1970, the acid was still real and it lasted a long time, like 12 plus hours that included a lot of time that was very manageable. Also depends on how much he took, etc. So many questions we have no clue about. I think one would do better on LSD than shitfaced on vodka, but who knows. I love to think it is a true story. And Ty Cobb was not even close to as bad as some people think he was. And I am pretty sure the Babe Ruth story has been discredited a long time ago, although it is also a great story.
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08-02-2022 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by carolinabay
The Doc Ellis story is great, especially for pro-psychedelics people like me. The odds it is real are close to zero. But, it is possible because everything is possible with LSD. We will never know for sure. It would also depend on what stage of the trip he was in. In 1970, the acid was still real and it lasted a long time, like 12 plus hours that included a lot of time that was very manageable. Also depends on how much he took, etc. So many questions we have no clue about. I think one would do better on LSD than shitfaced on vodka, but who knows. I love to think it is a true story. And Ty Cobb was not even close to as bad as some people think he was. And I am pretty sure the Babe Ruth story has been discredited a long time ago, although it is also a great story.
Same here... makes the documentary and this animation that much better:

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