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How the high stakes pro did studied? How the high stakes pro did studied?

01-17-2018 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by PaiDaBadBeat
I make a real question and the guys come with jokes. OMG
No, you maked a real questioning and the guys comes with joke.

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Edit: if I can seriously answer what I think is your question, Barry Greenstein once did an interview* in which he spoke about Phil Ivey's poker training, so to speak. I can't remember the exact details, but the general idea is that Phil never read a poker book. However, he constantly thought about the game and frequently discussed hands and situations with other players. So the same type of "education" that many players later got from online forms and resources like the aforementioned rec.gambling.poker, players from Ivey's era got simply by talking to other players.


*I think this interview was on PokerRoad during Ivey's WSOP Main Event final table run. When I get back to my regular comp, I might be able to find that episode.

Last edited by Wilbury Twist; 01-17-2018 at 10:19 PM.
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01-18-2018 , 05:31 AM
The first thing they learned was to pot the red then screw back for the yellow,green,brown,blue,pink and black.
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01-18-2018 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by epcfast
The first thing they learned was to pot the red then screw back for the yellow,green,brown,blue,pink and black.
All in 5 minutes and 20 seconds.
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01-18-2018 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces123123
In the beginning there was rec.gambling.poker. There you learned that you could read books about poker. Reading one of those books was usually enough to beat low limit online.

Some had a natural talent for the game that allowed them to climb the stakes. Poor bankroll management also helped.
In the beginning you did not need to read books to win just depot and not be dumb. I miss pacific poker...
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01-18-2018 , 06:49 AM
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01-18-2018 , 01:48 PM


Look at basic player types, Hansen is for example elephant, so far calling costs him $20000000, Negreanu most likely mouse (reference to small balls). After you will absorb this knowledge, you can move to Harrington and beat micro mtts online.
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01-18-2018 , 03:14 PM
There's a limited amount of boards with a limited amount of hands, yes multi way and ICM considerations come into play, but if you're an analytical mind and paired up with other high IQ analytical individuals "studying poker" isn't so hard.

We can look at Alpha Go which is Google's chess algorithm, it actually ended up playing many of the most popular openings with humans, i.e ones that humans created and perfected through trial and error.

I'm sure the same impulses exist in poker and what the high level crushers are doing today, many of the crushers of the past either intuitively did or came up with and implemented over time.
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01-18-2018 , 09:09 PM
They were trained in the art of triple range merging from a young age.
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01-19-2018 , 01:04 AM
In a classroom of course. Doyle and TJ Cloutier were the teachers. If you got caught talking in class, fifty lashings of the cane were handed out. It taught these young masters disclipine
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01-19-2018 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
In a classroom of course. Doyle and TJ Cloutier were the teachers. If you got caught talking in class, fifty lashings of the cane were handed out. It taught these young masters disclipine
It was a dojo, not a classroom. Geez, some people don’t know their history.
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01-19-2018 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Penetrator


Look at basic player types, Hansen is for example elephant, so far calling costs him $20000000, Negreanu most likely mouse (reference to small balls). After you will absorb this knowledge, you can move to Harrington and beat micro mtts online.
275 copies of Phil's book available @ $.10, plus postage presumably.

Has to be the greatest bargain around, no ?
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01-19-2018 , 04:46 PM
Thread delivered.
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01-19-2018 , 08:49 PM
They sat down and wrote books on what strategies they thought would win, and then with feedback from BBV altered the books in subsequent editions, got in Donald Trumps time machine and went back in time and published them.
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01-19-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by awpi
great book. OP read this book if you want some insight into how a pro thinks.
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01-20-2018 , 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces123123
In the beginning there was rec.gambling.poker. There you learned that you could read books about poker. Reading one of those books was usually enough to beat low limit online.

Some had a natural talent for the game that allowed them to climb the stakes. Poor bankroll management also helped.
Thanks.

I think the answer can be teased out of this.

Read 1 book on poker

AND

Look to practice poor bankroll management in every situation in your life.

To get to the top.

I wonder how important setting goals for emotional management would be?
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01-22-2018 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Poor OP. His question is legit just badly framed.

The game isn’t as hard as people will have newbs believe. You just do a thing, if that doesn’t work out ....do the opposite thing next time. Rinse repeat until lots of things do work out.

Can be applied to real world.

-George C
In poker it's not that simple. In tennis, say, if you play well you can see why a good play works as it happens and get immediate positive reinforcement on what you just did. But in poker, bad plays (chasing when the odds are not in your favour, for example) are frequently rewarded and good plays (going all in when you have the best of it) may not have positive outcomes (getting run down).

The fact that opponents' hands are mucked when they don't go to showdown (or in live play, after) makes it even harder to judge the wisdom of one's own play. Added to all that there are differences in how success and failures are remembered afterwards (see Kahneman), so self-analysis becomes very tricky.

Therefore players who haven't studied to learn how to assess what they are, or should be, doing often misjudge what is or isn't a successful strategy and they learn bad habits. Combined with small sample sizes, and the usual periods of rungood or runbad, poker can be one of the hardest games to learn by personal experience only.
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01-22-2018 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
275 copies of Phil's book available @ $.10, plus postage presumably.

Has to be the greatest bargain around, no ?
hah, that has to be one of the worst poker books ever written. The advice was terrible even for the time when it came out
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01-22-2018 , 08:33 PM
says the guy with zero WSOP bracelets.
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01-22-2018 , 08:36 PM
Insane addiction to the game and insane luck.

Back in the day.
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01-23-2018 , 12:29 AM
Borat?
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01-23-2018 , 01:15 AM
They did not studied.

They did were fish. On a heater.

That do is their secret OMG
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01-23-2018 , 10:24 AM
They don't need to study. That's for losers. It's all about white magic.
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01-23-2018 , 11:13 AM
When a pro won his spurs in high stakes of old,
He was gentle and brave, he was gallant and bold,
With a girl on his arm and good cards in his hand,
For the flop and the turn and the river he planned

A reduced winrate have I, and no girl by my side,
Yet still to adventure and battle I ride,
As back into storyland drunk fish have fled,
Supernova's no more and the good games are dead.
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01-24-2018 , 08:31 AM
Many of them learnt for free in the public strategy forums on this site then later sold their knowledge on private training sites while badmouthing this site.
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01-24-2018 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PaiDaBadBeat
I make a real question and the guys come with jokes. OMG
You made a very good question.

Lots of people are practicing to be comedians on twoplustwo.com. A few might make it.
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If you want to get good at something be around people who have been there and done that.

"If you want something be around people who have it."

...happiness, skills, knowledge, misery, chaos, etc

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P.S. Lots of fanatical practice where you push the envelope.
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