It was known and why do we think no one made a big song and dance about it? Becayse they are all at it. You dont want to point the finger at someone else when you are also up to no good as it will bring unwanted attention

then I'd like to congratulate you for doing DOGSHIT FOR YEARS about it.

I'll get the list started with a few that I can remember

IKSecret - Arturs Kurnajevs
noqqx - Martin Pung
adamc1988 - Adam Carmichael
v2the3 - Adam Sykes
currrr14 - Glenn Thompson
Saauron1
akis_333
majcy
1rake1
mavrickkk
Samar4eg

can't believe i'm giving you any action: there isn't anything you can do. they went to the upmost limit of abuse to get up and running. the onus is on the shittier sites like 888 to stop it. stars (mostly) has fixed this issue but the issue just isn't HUSNG, as time goes on and people get better and better computing power there will be many instances like this happening in all other forms of poker

remember the PLO ring that took millions out of the economy? imagine what kind of damage people are doing today..

well we can try to make newssite and pokersite aware of the problem. having a few "famous" people support us (like there was in the postle scandal) wouldnt hurt and fasten the process I assume.

Point to one post that said to ignore it. I believe any posts you are referring to are saying that making it well known to the general public will not help the cause, but it should be publicized and addressed within the poker community and any organizations/authorities that should be involved.

I was always wondering what's going on with the chucknorrisq Hu sng player on stars. He's grinding year after year, straight line upwards. Any information about him.

He's eastern Europe, always holding lobby. These days it's so hard to believe he is legit

afaik i heard botters were let in on stars because they strongarmed some of the guys in 1k lobs into accepting them by threatening to destroy all their horses on lower stakes husngs, thus hurting them financially in a way they can. Botters even brought in their own horse in that same swoop. A certain 100 spin reg made the jump to 1k hu lobs over night.

At the end of the day, who gives a flying **** if it was because of that or because they in turn let the 1k lobs on stars get in on eurosites?

Happy to see that that certain 100spin reg was named earlier in thread.

???

Those are not my accounts. I also haven't played any of these sites in ages.

Maybe you ask your friend Robet Flink "bajskorven87" to remove his team of bots from Finland?

his bots have captured all the highstackes limits PLO and NL, at PokerStars and other rooms.

These HUSNG bots, which are discussed in this thread, do far less damage to the poker ecosystem than Robert Flink’s team “bajskorven87” and
his partners.

I notice Adam Carmichael is now trying to push himself as some sort of YouTube performance coach guru. If the number of views of his videos are anything to go by, I think he might have to return to poker.

This post is almost entire true.

They got the name 641 from this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A

It is a play on the name 641 - to have information that others don't know you have. Room 641 A or 641 is a common reference in the programming and tech industry.

Don't take my opinion - The Hand Histories of these accounts speak for themselves. I am still surprised that people think online poker is safe.

When there are thousands of dollars to be made, its easy to figure out ways to get more of it than you deserve, especially when all the activity take place on a PC and online. The sites can stop this, but why - they are getting rake.

Casually works for a well known spin stable as their 'mental coach'

Yeah I'm sure that's all he brought with him......

Except their name is team 651 not 641...

Many, many people have reported accounts. Many accounts have been banned (mostly from Stars). This has been going on for years. There are posts in the Heads Up SNG/Spins forum here on 2p2 about it, and of course a ton of chatter within the community (Skype, discord, etc.).

It's definitely not a secret. But I think if a random player you haven't heard of gets banned, and most assume it's for cheating, that it's not necessarily NVG post worthy to most people. I do think some of the cheating scandals, the biggest ones, have hit NVG (the Alvaro/Spin4play/Spin Legends/PokerStrategy scandal for example).

There have been false accusations and inconvenient account reviews of innocent players as well, but many are considering that a fair price to pay for rooting out cheaters (though some disagree).

At the end of the day if you are playing some of the highest stakes online then you should be prepared for proving that you are 100% legit. If anything you should be loving having to do all the annoying checks because it will reassure you that you aren't getting scammed.
Hell, send a stars representative to my house to grind with me for a week. Why should it bother a player? That would make you super happy because you probably catch another whole host of bot users

I also think it is a super dangerous tactic to assume that because a player has played for 5years that they are somehow more likely to be legit than someone else. It is a certainty that right now of stars some of the highest stake players in HUSNG are using something.

LMAO...

anyone got some screenshots of hu cartel divisions back in 2016/2017?

It's all full of cheating scumbags, I'd be surprised if ANY HS pro across any game type was not using RT assistance, and that includes the likes of Linus.

It is an absolute joke that HU sngs are even still in existence on any site. Exception possibly Stars, it's a bit closer there since their security is quite legit. People can still get away with cheating on a smaller scale there though.
On the other sites they should just clearly remove the format, the only players playing are basically the cheaters who have been banned from Stars, it's ridiculous to see the guys who have been banned on Stars frequenting these lobbies and stealing from the poker community.

Also HU sngs are terrible for sites anyway, fish will lose extremely quickly (rather than play more and rake more, e.g. a $300 hu sng will rake the site like $3-10 if the fish runs good, playing 100nl will rake maybe $30+ or whatever on average).

As many people as possible should write the sites demanding these games be banned asap, it's really unjust that it has continued for as long as it has, and disgusting to see these guys who have been banned from Stars for cheating holding lobbies like ONE THOUSAND DOLLAR 20bb sngs!

these confirmed cheaters like Adamc1998 who coaches for stable/s now should not be welcome in the poker community anymore in any shape or form. individually speaking most of them have stolen hundreds of thousands, if not 7 figures from the community as a whole.

it's tilting to have played a tonne vs. these guys, but then i look at some of the legit old school hu guys who basically got cheated out of their niche game due to not wanting to cheat too.

Agreed. I also wish I could go back to around the 2006 or so time period, and personally apologize to all those old nits at the B&M tables I used to ignore when they spoke about how online poker must be rigged.

Expand on this please

Yeah I was completely wrong absolutely certain I was right in many of those discussions. My logic was ; I was winning so well, how can it be rigged?

The thing is though..... it is /was rigged. Just not the way live players think. That’s how I handle current discussions at live tables about online

Sucks about the botters, they are scumbags. But the regs with their stolen hand histories /ghosting / software aids are no better

I think people should be careful about the terminology they use. Calling them "botters" doesn't really address the issue. I very much doubt any of those players are actually bots. There's a human clicking the buttons (and very likely the human is already a strong player), he just has access to a precomputed GTO database that tells him what to do in real time.

So the real issue here is not bots (doesn't tell you anything about play quality), but that fast short stack formats are extremely easy to solve and that any half decent programmer can build a real time assistance software in a matter of days.

On top of all this trying to prove that someone is using real time assistance is quite difficult and labor intensive for the poker site. Not to mention that smarter cheaters will try to obfuscate it by not following the GTO solution to a T 100% of the time.

The issue here goes much deeper than simply banning a few cheaters. The underlying problem is still there and will only get worse and worse as the years go by. What sites should actually do is take a very hard look at their offerings and take steps towards reducing/removing those formats that are trivial to solve and cheat at, while introducing new formats with mechanics that make it harder to solve.

For example the progressive bounty format, while hated by lots of regs, does add an additional safeguard against this problem. That's the direction sites should move in if they don't want online poker to turn into online chess by 2030.