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11-09-2019 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Had to take a break after all the Postle videos and now I see this.


This type of activity has been discussed for years now for cash games (dream machines) and obviously exists in some form for that format - haven't paid much attention to the SNG world but not surprised to see this type of system in place.

I really don't understand how the sites can't put a stop to these type of things once they find out about it - if a guy is playing all the time, most stakes, many tables and other say he is cheating. They are never going to catch the ones doing it who use a different strategy to avoid detection in play style alteration.

What exactly is the disincentive for players to do this and how can the same accounts operate for so long - at least make them change their accounts and programs up? Is there not software poker sites can use to detect a system like this??

Do I need to start a anti-bot/software company?
I would definitely pay lots of money right now to analyze my HH and study stats from a bunch of suspicious players on WPN. Contact me if you are up to it.
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11-09-2019 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
Do I need to start a anti-bot/software company?
Unfortunately, yes.
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11-09-2019 , 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by R*R
Provide some evidence of this or some credible internet information soon or these posts will need to be removed
Evidence in video "glenn thompson"

Banned from pokerstars partypoker etc... his botring an open secret long time ago.
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11-09-2019 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by R*R
Provide some evidence of this or some credible internet information soon or these posts will need to be removed
Why are you trying to protect one of the biggest cheaters in the HUSNG/Spin community with your threats? Everyone in the community knows currrr14 = Glenn Thompson. That's been his skype SN for years and friended many people on facebook. But since you insist:

https://www.husng.com/content/currrr...-ranges-part-i
He made videos for HUSNG.com, you can confirm with fellow mod ChicagoRy this is in fact Glenn Thompson.

https://twitter.com/tapdancingsquid
There's his twitter handle with name Glenn Thompson, joined 2011

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/283556/
On his 2+2 profile it says he plays $60-$200 hypers, occupation 'Teacher', hobbies 'hockey/poker' which corroborates what Fishhhhhh was saying. His post history talks about Spin & Goes and Thailand. His YouTube channel is in Thai.

EDIT: He declares his username in this post: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/1...=#post43283309

Anything else?

Last edited by Gary Milne; 11-09-2019 at 05:34 AM.
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11-09-2019 , 05:27 AM
Also a Glenn Thompson on Hendonmob. ChicagoRy can correct on this as needed.

Last edited by R*R; 11-09-2019 at 05:19 PM. Reason: Link to wrong Glenn Thompson removed
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11-09-2019 , 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by fragglerock45
Also a Glenn Thompson on Hendonmob. ChicagoRy can correct on this as needed.
That's not him.

EDIT: His YouTube videos even link to his instagram: https://www.instagram.com/glennthompson.89/?hl=en

Last edited by R*R; 11-09-2019 at 05:18 PM. Reason: link to wrong person removed
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11-09-2019 , 05:50 AM
Mr. Martin Pung from Estonia in beginning of his greeeeat robot career




Last edited by xtardo; 11-09-2019 at 06:02 AM.
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11-09-2019 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Milne
Why are you trying to protect one of the biggest cheaters in the HUSNG/Spin community with your threats? Everyone in the community knows currrr14 = Glenn Thompson. That's been his skype SN for years and friended many people on facebook. But since you insist:
Why would you make such an absurd assumption? "Everyone in the community" apparently doesn't include a lot of 2+2ers, myself included; I think his request was quite reasonable.

Thanks for the links.
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11-09-2019 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Why would you make such an absurd assumption? "Everyone in the community" apparently doesn't include a lot of 2+2ers, myself included; I think his request was quite reasonable.

Thanks for the links.
Everyone in the HUSNG/Spin community.

The moderator could have found these links with one google search, or look up 2+2 user TapDancingSquid and found out himself. Instead he threatens to undo the work I've done providing this information. What if I were sleeping, he would have deleted everything and allowed Glenn to delete his traces? Excuse me for being more than a bit annoyed with him.

You're welcome.
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11-09-2019 , 06:20 AM
Mr Robot having fun from your money


To be continued...
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11-09-2019 , 06:20 AM
What is the state of affairs in present days guys, is Xrab and his gang still active and holding all the lobbies in euro sites? What about the Bali guys, russians?

Also, if i was some of the legit HS HUSNG regulars, now seems like a very good opportunity to end these scumbags, they should find a way to slip whatever info and evidence they have on this, and continue raising the heat, and at the same time take all the lobbies. If this information continue to develop with more facts and exposure, what would the botlords do in such occasion - continue unleashing the bots, business as usual, use multiaccounts with low money deposited? Seems too risky to me.
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11-09-2019 , 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Gary Milne
The moderator could have found these links with one google search, or look up 2+2 user TapDancingSquid and found out himself. Instead he threatens to undo the work I've done providing this information. What if I were sleeping, he would have deleted everything and allowed Glenn to delete his traces? Excuse me for being more than a bit annoyed with him.
I understand your concern. I'll just say I don't believe he was planning to delete things within a few hours, and even if for some reason action was taken prematurely, it can easily be rectified - unless an administrator (not a mod) hard-deletes posts, which is almost never done, posts can always be restored. Just letting you know that you needn't be concerned that a single mod would have the power to make evidence/accusations disappear forever.

Carry on; I'll derail no further.
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11-09-2019 , 08:58 AM
Wouldn't it be pretty easy do develop a anti-cheat software like the ones existing in esport and force flagged account to play with it turned on? Providing screenshots of everything shown on screen etc? I don't see why any legit winning player would have any problems with that. Sure you can argue that they can use a separate PC where they get the decisions from, but at least it would make things way more complicated.
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11-09-2019 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gettan
Wouldn't it be pretty easy do develop a anti-cheat software like the ones existing in esport and force flagged account to play with it turned on? Providing screenshots of everything shown on screen etc? I don't see why any legit winning player would have any problems with that. Sure you can argue that they can use a separate PC where they get the decisions from, but at least it would make things way more complicated.
its already on separate PC, thats how its undetectable this way. Poker clients these days can access your list of processed, make screenshots of your screen, track mouse etc thats why you dont run bot on same PC as you play the game on

So the only way to try to prove someone is botting is analysis of statistics, timings, clicks... but it will never be 100% proof.

Luckily, poker rooms do not have to be 100% certain, they can ban whomever they please. Yes, some innocent players will get banned as well from time to time.
Sadly, botting/playing with solvers in hu sng is a known for years, poker operators seem just greedy and enjoy this 10,20,50 $/E rake per few minutes of sng that runs thanks to lobbies being occupied by these groups. So its kinda silent agreement between poker room and these guys to cheat, in exchange for paying high rake. both sides milk depositing players at very fast pace at 100$+ stakes and everyone is happy
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11-09-2019 , 11:03 AM
For those who think pokerstars and party poker are a safe bot-free environment, make no mistake all lobby´s over $ 60 are dominated by a team named 641, led by the well-known high stack player named jackstack99, where they also block players from sitting free in any lobby above. $ 60, by blocking them acting in group, so if you want to play a game worth $ 60 or more heads up sng, you will have to face someone from their team, theoretically driven by pivot tables and solver solutions, in which they have shared annotations, pivot tables and most of all they have a member or former member of his team working at the poker stars security risk, his name is Jhon and he deliberately acts in favor of the team by banning any player who dares to try a lobbys heads up sng spot.

Their team is made up of players like luiscoppel, ididntmean, jackstack, wubblepig and basically all players who roam freely around the lobbies of poker stars and party poker.

*So friends don't be silly just don't play heads up sng hypers the game is solved and totally dominated by smartass everywhere, there is no escape there is no safe online poker environment these days to play short games especially heads up SNG hyper turbo. Rip Sit and goes hypers
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11-09-2019 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by xtardo
Mr. Martin Pung from Estonia in beginning of his greeeeat robot career




Can see on sharkscope he was banned in August of 2017, those were his last games. That year he took botting to a new level, he would play 24hr+ sessions, every lobby from $30-$5000 in turbos and hypers. Stars responded to a report by saying something like "Usain Bolt runs faster than everyone in the world, does not mean he's cheating, some people can do things we think are superhuman."

As for Currrr14, perhaps stars could come in and make a statement (since they have all the hard evidence) but it is well known in the heads up SNG forums/community that he is banned on stars and ran a bot-ring.

Currrr14 (Glenn Thompson) and Noqqx (Martin Pung) also used to run one of the biggest stables. The first post is deleted but a few posts down you see the connection:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...table-1508574/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...85&postcount=7

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11-09-2019 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by fightingcoward
Can see on sharkscope he was banned in August of 2017, those were his last games. That year he took botting to a new level, he would play 24hr+ sessions, every lobby from $100-$5000 in turbos and hypers. Stars responded to a report by saying something like "Usain Bolt runs faster than everyone in the world, does not mean he's cheating, some people can do things we think are superhuman."

As for Currrr14, perhaps stars could come in and make a statement (since they have all the hard evidence) but it is well known in the heads up SNG forums/community that he is banned on stars and ran a bot-ring.

Currrr14 (Glenn Thompson) and Noqqx (Martin Pung) also used to run one of the biggest stables. The first post is deleted but a few posts down you see the connection:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...table-1508574/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...85&postcount=7
i can at least confirm when we were in spin degens none of the horses were given any sort of computer assistance outside of having coaching sessions outside of sessions. this was a bit before 2017
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11-09-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatisIcm
For those who think pokerstars and party poker are a safe bot-free environment, make no mistake all lobby´s over $ 60 are dominated by a team named 641, led by the well-known high stack player named jackstack99, where they also block players from sitting free in any lobby above. $ 60, by blocking them acting in group, so if you want to play a game worth $ 60 or more heads up sng, you will have to face someone from their team, theoretically driven by pivot tables and solver solutions, in which they have shared annotations, pivot tables and most of all they have a member or former member of his team working at the poker stars security risk, his name is Jhon and he deliberately acts in favor of the team by banning any player who dares to try a lobbys heads up sng spot.

Their team is made up of players like luiscoppel, ididntmean, jackstack, wubblepig and basically all players who roam freely around the lobbies of poker stars and party poker.

*So friends don't be silly just don't play heads up sng hypers the game is solved and totally dominated by smartass everywhere, there is no escape there is no safe online poker environment these days to play short games especially heads up SNG hyper turbo. Rip Sit and goes hypers
While I agree that removing high stakes turbos, hypers and any short stack format is probably imminent and the only way forward (and this is coming from someone who used to play highstakes and has profited a lot in the format during the pre-bot days), having a stable or grouping together is not illegal.

The only thing that's illegal is getting actual RTA, and by the looks of it everyone seems to have it in some sort of form nowadays. Hell, you can make an argument that printing paper charts of common spots or more sophisticated huds is a sort of RTA. Of course, that's something that does not really compare to actually getting every single spot analyzed, and having close to GTO solutions, but the point is that there is a fine line between the different types of assistance one gets.

Still, I am glad that this is finally getting some light, imo it's pretty gross how those in the know (hu community) were trying to cover it up or remained silent in the hopes they could join a bot group as a droog and get some peanuts thrown their way.

Think this scandal is much deeper than even the UB/AP superuser stuff, just because of how far and deep it extended, and how much money was taken over the years, yet it still goes on today.
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11-09-2019 , 12:13 PM
I'm wondering what's going on in the stables of SpinNGos, where there are lots of teams playing and it's also a shortstack format and reaches HU pretty fast. I'm guessing that's a Pandora box poker sites don't want to open or be exposed...
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11-09-2019 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JackBurton
I'm wondering what's going on in the stables of SpinNGos, where there are lots of teams playing and it's also a shortstack format and reaches HU pretty fast. I'm guessing that's a Pandora box poker sites don't want to open or be exposed...
Most likely , if they go public with this news , the traffic at this formats will decrease which means the profit of the poker sites too . It's possible they work on the solution of the problem or don't give a **** about it and just scoop the rake .
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11-09-2019 , 12:30 PM
The difference being, at spins with 5-8% rake depending on the site, a lot more of it will go to the site even if it's infested with bots. So they obviously will care much less, although rakeback can still get pretty big on some sites with rake races making it a haven for the high volume bots, (i.e. more lax regulation, and better rake than stars). The hu hyper rake is much smaller, in the 1.x to 2.x% depending on the site, so the bots are winning much more, the stakes are higher, AND it is much easier to solve.
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11-09-2019 , 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I understand your concern. I'll just say I don't believe he was planning to delete things within a few hours, and even if for some reason action was taken prematurely, it can easily be rectified - unless an administrator (not a mod) hard-deletes posts, which is almost never done, posts can always be restored. Just letting you know that you needn't be concerned that a single mod would have the power to make evidence/accusations disappear forever.

Carry on; I'll derail no further.
the problem is that he never knows wtf he's talking about and he absolutely is petty enough to delete posts/hand out bans unnecessarily and pre-emptively
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11-09-2019 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatisIcm
For those who think pokerstars and party poker are a safe bot-free environment, make no mistake all lobby´s over $ 60 are dominated by a team named 641, led by the well-known high stack player named jackstack99, where they also block players from sitting free in any lobby above. $ 60, by blocking them acting in group, so if you want to play a game worth $ 60 or more heads up sng, you will have to face someone from their team, theoretically driven by pivot tables and solver solutions, in which they have shared annotations, pivot tables and most of all they have a member or former member of his team working at the poker stars security risk, his name is Jhon and he deliberately acts in favor of the team by banning any player who dares to try a lobbys heads up sng spot.

Their team is made up of players like luiscoppel, ididntmean, jackstack, wubblepig and basically all players who roam freely around the lobbies of poker stars and party poker.

*So friends don't be silly just don't play heads up sng hypers the game is solved and totally dominated by smartass everywhere, there is no escape there is no safe online poker environment these days to play short games especially heads up SNG hyper turbo. Rip Sit and goes hypers
Doesnt sound super likely since someone just wrote a long post about challenging the 1k division with an exploit approach and found those players that u mentioned to be particularly exploitable. This was very recently.
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11-09-2019 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Dilandio
Doesnt sound super likely since someone just wrote a long post about challenging the 1k division with an exploit approach and found those players that u mentioned to be particularly exploitable. This was very recently.
Link? Or know where it's located? I'd be interested in checking this out.
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11-09-2019 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by WhatisIcm
so if you want to play a game worth $ 60 or more heads up sng, you will have to face someone from their team
I count 45 regulars who sit between $60-$1000 stakes, 7 of them are on 651.

13 regulars sit $500-$1000, only 1, jackstack99, is on 651.

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theoretically driven by pivot tables and solver solutions, in which they have shared annotations, pivot tables
hundreds of players have been part of team651 over the years, they can confirm there never has there been a pivot table, shared annotations or anything of the like. In fact pokerstars doesn't even allow nash charts to be used anymore and since stars added that rule new 651 players sign a contract that prohibits them from using them.


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Originally Posted by WhatisIcm
his name is Jhon and he deliberately acts in favor of the team by banning any player who dares to try a lobbys heads up sng spot.
nobody on 651 has ever gone to work for pokerstars nor is there any need for special treatment, pokerstars seems to catch people before any player can nowadays.

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Originally Posted by WhatisIcm
Their team is made up of players like luiscoppel, ididntmean, jackstack, wubblepig and basically all players who roam freely around the lobbies of poker stars and party poker.
ididntmean has never been on 651, and Luis spent a week on the team in 2017. 651 makes up a small minority of the husng community on stars.

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and totally dominated by smartass everywhere
this is the only true part of your post, lots of smartasses in the lobbies that brighten up your day.

so in summary,


a weak attempt to distort the narrative and try to discredit the honest humans still playing this game and take attention away from the issue of botters in online poker and other sites doing nothing to police their games.

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