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Originally Posted by mchine
what would happen if both of the players used a bot?
They talked about this in the video (chat portion). The xrab/dr3mka guys vs the bali group, and the programmer guy was saying how their bot was getting like 5cev or so over theirs, but that the bali guys had bigger bankrolls and they didn't want to battle for too long.
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Originally Posted by Eponymous
No bots play perfect GTO, so the better bot would win in the long run, or they'd be so close that they'd both lose to the rake in the long run.
You'd both lose to rake even if you had semi competent opponents. The bot would probably lose a bit less, but it would not be worthwhile in the long run. They would all switch to their regular play vs. fish (that's where the profits come in) and just use the bot for battling other regs/bots across many tables. This was just an investment phase of sorts so that they would be able to hold lobbies to actually play the fish.
But for someone new, how are you ever going to have a chance to play if as soon as you sit down a bunch of the bots would play you, with shared bankrolls and drive you out unless you were willing to stick around for thousands of games and willing to lose a lot of rake in the process.
They would have time periods and they would go and play 5+ tables without getting tired for hours on end etc. And if one quit, another one from that same group would take its place. Very hard for any single human to compete with unless you were extremely good and committed.
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Originally Posted by scammerseverywhere
Yes, but it all starts with the site giving a ****.
For example, on iPoker there are usually around 2 big software updates per year. Every time after these big updates, the accounts that everyone suspects are bots, mysteriously disappear from the lobby until they get patched in less than a few days. If anyone at iPoker cared, these accounts would be banned many years ago...
On the other hand, about what you are saying specifically, nowadays big gaming companies prefer to invest in AI machine learning with long term effect to police their products, rather than deploy temporary fixes or have manual reviewing.
iPoker has had a bot problem for soooooo long. I remember even in 2009-2010 or so when I would sometimes play hu FLH for fun during regular grinds it was only bots there. Don't even know if they kept that format up, but the botting was rampant and everyone knew. I think in the end some accounts did get banned but that was after several years of botting. Of course that wasn't ever much of a popular format either though.