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Old 05-12-2015, 03:12 PM   #501
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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He rebounded in 2014 with over 100k in cashes.
Classic MTT player nonsense. Profit is the only thing that matters.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:31 PM   #502
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

id never seen that QQ hand.

I wish I remained unsoiled.
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Old 05-12-2015, 03:43 PM   #503
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Uh oh some weak results in 2015. Hes played everything.
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:18 PM   #504
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Frankenberger is the best of all time, maybe even better than Ivey.
He beat Ivey heads up for a bracelet.
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Old 05-12-2015, 04:56 PM   #505
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Classic MTT player nonsense. Profit is the only thing that matters.
umm.... what would matter more than profit?
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Old 05-12-2015, 05:51 PM   #506
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He beat Ivey heads up for a bracelet.
Exactly. That is called proof. Frankenblurger is the best of all time and plays the GTO.
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:15 PM   #507
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tultfill gets it
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Old 05-12-2015, 06:56 PM   #508
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id never seen that QQ hand.

I wish I remained unsoiled.
That hand is known as 'the mother of dragons' and it is unsullied not unsoiled.

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Old 05-12-2015, 06:57 PM   #509
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umm.... what would matter more than profit?
I think you misunderstand me. Profit is the only thing that matters. MTT players cream themselves on a daily basis when they mention cashes. It's the most stupid thing that I've ever heard but when 95% of the "pros" are in makeup I guess they gotta justify their profession somehow.
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Old 05-12-2015, 07:39 PM   #510
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Exactly. That is called proof. Frankenblurger is the best of all time and plays the GTO.
Nah he IS the GTO
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:04 AM   #511
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I know this is ancient history BUT:

Why is the QQ fold abominable? Frankenberger put Timoshenko on AA. Frankenberger's QQ is a 17% underdog. So he needs 449,000 in the pot to make it even EV. There's 527,000 in the pot, fine, but when was it "insanely stupid" to reject an 83% likelihood of busting for a measly 13k of EV (527k * .17 - 92k * .83). Folding leaves him 15bb, which is viable.

Sexton's remark that even "a deuce and a 3" requires a call seems out of line, even if we only cared about EV. Against a pocket pair like KK or AA, the hand 23o would barely be zero EV in this particular instance (we know now that Timo only held AK, but Frankenberger was pretty convinced of AA, and I don't blame the guy).

Someone else can work out the ICM details but I for one am always willing to throw away EV if I'm more than 80% likely to bust out.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:11 AM   #512
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:48 AM   #513
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I know this is ancient history BUT:

Why is the QQ fold abominable? Frankenberger put Timoshenko on AA. Frankenberger's QQ is a 17% underdog. So he needs 449,000 in the pot to make it even EV. There's 527,000 in the pot, fine, but when was it "insanely stupid" to reject an 83% likelihood of busting for a measly 13k of EV (527k * .17 - 92k * .83). Folding leaves him 15bb, which is viable.

Sexton's remark that even "a deuce and a 3" requires a call seems out of line, even if we only cared about EV. Against a pocket pair like KK or AA, the hand 23o would barely be zero EV in this particular instance (we know now that Timo only held AK, but Frankenberger was pretty convinced of AA, and I don't blame the guy).

Someone else can work out the ICM details but I for one am always willing to throw away EV if I'm more than 80% likely to bust out.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:01 PM   #514
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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I know this is ancient history BUT:

Why is the QQ fold abominable? Frankenberger put Timoshenko on AA. Frankenberger's QQ is a 17% underdog. So he needs 449,000 in the pot to make it even EV. There's 527,000 in the pot, fine, but when was it "insanely stupid" to reject an 83% likelihood of busting for a measly 13k of EV (527k * .17 - 92k * .83). Folding leaves him 15bb, which is viable.

Sexton's remark that even "a deuce and a 3" requires a call seems out of line, even if we only cared about EV. Against a pocket pair like KK or AA, the hand 23o would barely be zero EV in this particular instance (we know now that Timo only held AK, but Frankenberger was pretty convinced of AA, and I don't blame the guy).

Someone else can work out the ICM details but I for one am always willing to throw away EV if I'm more than 80% likely to bust out.
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Old 07-15-2016, 02:30 PM   #515
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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I know this is ancient history BUT:

Why is the QQ fold abominable? Frankenberger put Timoshenko on AA. Frankenberger's QQ is a 17% underdog. So he needs 449,000 in the pot to make it even EV. There's 527,000 in the pot, fine, but when was it "insanely stupid" to reject an 83% likelihood of busting for a measly 13k of EV (527k * .17 - 92k * .83). Folding leaves him 15bb, which is viable.

Sexton's remark that even "a deuce and a 3" requires a call seems out of line, even if we only cared about EV. Against a pocket pair like KK or AA, the hand 23o would barely be zero EV in this particular instance (we know now that Timo only held AK, but Frankenberger was pretty convinced of AA, and I don't blame the guy).

Someone else can work out the ICM details but I for one am always willing to throw away EV if I'm more than 80% likely to bust out.
I don't remember the situation and I'm too lazy/occupied right now to find the video, but the bolded part is where most people would take issue. Putting an opponent on exactly one specific hand strikes me as a mistake, unless you have Travis Makar and Russ Hamilton texting you info from the rail.

Now, if he narrowed the range to, say, JJ+/AK, and further weighted the likelihood of Timoshenko holding AA specifically to a substantial percentage, then his thought process would be more acceptable. Not everyone would agree with that assigned range, but at least the thinking would be pokerish.

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Sexton's remark that even "a deuce and a 3" requires a call seems out of line, even if we only cared about EV. Against a pocket pair like KK or AA, the hand 23o would barely be zero EV in this particular instance (we know now that Timo only held AK, but Frankenberger was pretty convinced of AA, and I don't blame the guy).
For what it's worth, 23 would have about 12-13 percent equity against AA and slightly better against KK. Again, can't remember the hand, but if Frankenberger is getting the right odds (even with ICM considered), he could see Timo flash AA and still be correct to call with 23.
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Old 07-17-2016, 04:34 AM   #516
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

As usual, terrible poker player (aka tourney pro) reverts to the mean and has no meaningful cashes in 2+ years. $2.9m lifetime cashes, minus taxes and tons of buy ins, must be a massive winner! How does he do it??!?! LOL tourney "pros".
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Old 07-17-2016, 10:17 AM   #517
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Wasn't it like 90 to win 700 in the QQ hand? That's why they're upset and saying atc is a call. Either fold to 4b (which I think is disaster but if you're convince you need to survive for points then do that) or gii. Anything in between is abysmal.
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