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Old 05-31-2012, 02:05 PM   #26
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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Andy Frankenberger was WPT player of the year last year, has won a WSOP bracelet and recently won the Partypoker world championship
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Yet when I watch him, he seems to make so many mistakes, seemingly every hand. The famous QQ fold he made remains the worst play I've ever seen on televised poker and numerous other bizarre and awful plays have been well documented.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:10 PM   #27
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Frankenberger can crush your soul.

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Old 05-31-2012, 02:28 PM   #28
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His last name makes me hungry.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:41 PM   #29
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It's is important to realize there are many different ways to win at poker. Most big winning players have sound fundamentals and take what are considered by most of us as 'standard' lines almost all the time. But there are other big winning poker players like Andy, Grinder, Hellmuth and Gus Hansen that come to mind. These players rarely take the 'standard' line and are successful due to things that are harder to quantify, but just as effective.

Whenever I see any of these guys make a play that I don't understand and it looks bad on its face, I always try to break it down and figure out what they were doing. Obviously everyone makes mistakes and sometimes the plays are just bad, but most of the time I wind up coming to a conclusion that further educates me about the game.
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I've played with Andy before as well, and although I've never been impressed with his style of play, he makes it work for him. It's like thebattler33 online, I personally think he is godawful, but, sometimes, results don't lie. Can't make $ consistently in donkaments without doing something right and running pretty decent. So it's probably the same for Andy. He's just doing some things right n running pure when he needs it.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:43 PM   #30
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glad this thread popped up, as I've always found this guy interesting as well. can't simply be fish on heater, too many results. you can point to the Bill Edlers of the world, but this guy had his success in the last 2 years, which is obv far tougher than any prior period. it seems this could be an example of a (likely) very smart guy, who had loads of success in finance (I believe using math side, not just biz side). He seemingly taught himself, and jumped into trnies w/out much regard for fundamentals or standard strategies. of course this notion is highly offensive to most players, that a guy can have success w/out more experience, and a better grasp of key concepts. the claim that he could approach the game fresh, with unique winning strategies is blasphemous to most. even if there's an element of that, it can't tell whole story. maybe he has a yoda like coach stowed away.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:56 PM   #31
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Maybe its the selective editing on TV, but I've literally never seen to guy play "good" in any televised hand he's been involved in and I've watched them all. His game seems to revolve around constantly making -ev calls and flopping the joint.
A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:59 PM   #32
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A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:15 PM   #33
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

There is a difference between making horrendous plays and taking unconventional lines.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:18 PM   #34
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A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today

And by friend you mean you google your name everyday to see if people are starting to respect your game because of recent success. Don't bother, whenever most of us hear your name we think of the qq hand.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:19 PM   #35
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There is a difference between making horrendous plays and taking unconventional lines.

To be fair when a player has ran 4 or 5 sigma over EV in their (brief) poker career that's a very difficult distinction for them to make

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Old 05-31-2012, 03:19 PM   #36
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A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:21 PM   #37
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I carried on watching Andy. You called Feldman's all in with K10off and then sucked out. Fold QQ, flops trips and embarrass yourself and then top it off call your chips off with K10. Saying that, you did make Feldman cry, which gets you a few kudos. And I stress the word few.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:22 PM   #38
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by the way, threads like this definitely get me fired up to try to play my best and win!! thank you for the added motivation -- i wish you all the very best on the felt and beyond
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:31 PM   #39
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by the way, threads like this definitely get me fired up to try to play my best and win!! thank you for the added motivation -- i wish you all the very best on the felt and beyond
so you weren't already at your peak motivation to play your best until some strangers on the internet said you play bad in NVG? who cares what they say or what i say, you're having more success in poker right now than anyone in this thread. trying to keep that up should be plenty of motivation
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:36 PM   #40
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Guy makes couple bad plays on TV and you people already make him worst player ever.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:39 PM   #41
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It's is important to realize there are many different ways to win at poker. Most big winning players have sound fundamentals and take what are considered by most of us as 'standard' lines almost all the time. But there are other big winning poker players like Andy, Grinder, Hellmuth and Gus Hansen that come to mind. These players rarely take the 'standard' line and are successful due to things that are harder to quantify, but just as effective.

Whenever I see any of these guys make a play that I don't understand and it looks bad on its face, I always try to break it down and figure out what they were doing. Obviously everyone makes mistakes and sometimes the plays are just bad, but most of the time I wind up coming to a conclusion that further educates me about the game.
Good post. If there's 1 thing I've learned from Phil Galfond it's to be openminded as much as possible. I don't know enough about Andy Frankenberger to come to a conclusion about his play other than it's very weird. I think it's likely he's -EV and obv he's run like god even if he is +EV. Defo someone I'd be interested watch more of though.

PS - Andy you look like a tool posting itt, just fyi
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:39 PM   #42
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A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today
and straight after you shoved K10 into KQ and binked with nearly equal stacks amirite?

please tell me more about how much you outplayed everyone.

you think you're too good to improve and by replying to everyone itt and refusing to take even the slightest bit of criticism, you've proved to the world what an epic douche and poor ambassador of the game you are.

good luck in the wsop (you'll need it lol)
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:41 PM   #43
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and straight after you shoved K10 into KQ and binked with nearly equal stacks amirite?

please tell me more about how much you outplayed everyone.

you think you're too good to improve and by replying to everyone itt and refusing to take even the slightest bit of criticism, you've proved to the world what an epic douche and poor ambassador of the game you are.

good luck in the wsop (you'll need it lol)
Not to derail but you should pay back the money your" friend" stole from people on here
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:46 PM   #44
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:00 PM   #45
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Matt said it best. This isnt chess we talking about there isnt always right or wrong stragety. I though agree with most here Frankeberger makes surreal donkey playes but he just has to do alot of good things so just keep it up play your way.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:09 PM   #46
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A friend of mine just told me about this thread. You guys crack me up. I realize that many people would rather watch a hand where I make a poor decision than a good one, but if you're at all curious about how I took a non-standard line to win a critical pot HU and win the Premiere League Mixed Champ, feel free to watch the link below to my A9 hand, starting at minute 4:05:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6fbGSrdBOM


Best of luck to you all -- feel free to say hello if you see me at the WSOP. Maybe I can continue to flop joints and win another bracelet today
No one cares how awesome your any other plays are while the QQ hand is out there and you claim you played it well.

Just enjoy your rungood sir, we all wish we had it, gl
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:17 PM   #47
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Gl in the HU Andy
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:24 PM   #48
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I have played with Andy all day in 5k PCA side event and he was playing pretty well, so definitely not one of those "livedonkament pro lol" players.

I agree that the QQ fold is bad/terrible, but hey, we all made awful folds, despite getting huge pot odds and although you can never fold a pair in a cash game getting 5.5 to 1, if you are properly rolled, but in a tournament you can at least justify this somehow by saying that if you feel like you gonna lose a stack with which you can abuse a table or the payjumps are huge whatever, then you can fold some monsters even getting a great price, not as high as 5.5 to 1, but there is a cutoff point somewhere.

Also, if i am not mistaken, PPL has points system, so some folds are driven by that, i remember Selbst (?) folding KK preflop in Vienna recently for a single raise or a 3bet, because she needed just one more player to bust to guarantee her a final table or something of that nature.

In any case, Andy is definitely a very good live tournament player, experienced, aggressive at the right times, with good reading abilities, so i am not surprised at his success, although he obv runs good.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:36 PM   #49
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he got all the monies in yesterday vs josh arieh with aj vs jj and rivered an ace to win that match..this guy is the 2012 version of vietcong IMO...i honestly have no answer to how he does it..from the stuff ive seen of him on tv he wins like 90% of his showdowns and basically plays like hes closing his eyes and throwing chips at the pot

i think the reason these threads keep popping up is bc when we see him playing on TV he literally comes across as someone who has no idea how to play, yet he keeps crushing...my mother who doesnt know if a straight beats 3 of a kind could have played the A7 vs 99 hand better, and the QQ is obv top 3 worst played hands in the history of televised poker

it seems like certain guys come along and crush by playing a seemingly terrible game, most of the time the hot run ends and they kind of fall off the face of the earth(vietcong, tuan lee)


he comes across on TV and in the numerous threads on this site about him(that he always seems to find by some friend telling him about them lol keep googling urself shmuck) like hes an arrogant doucheclown who thinks hes smarter then everyone and cant ever admit that he ever does anything wrong

of course as im typing this i see hes +300 to win the HU event today making him the favorite to win...its mind boggling...koon and david benefield are +500 and both are prob 100 times better then frankenburger...hell prob run like jesus and ship it..i hate poker..lol documents
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:43 PM   #50
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How does he make those plays and win so much?

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