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How could this situation have been handled better? How could this situation have been handled better?

06-27-2018 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Lego05

I still think it would be absurd to implement these rules for married couples even rather than just enforcing already existing rules against collusion/soft play/etc. if they break them, but at least (i) that would have somewhat better reasoning (because as you state those assets are more shared; although even they are not necessarily completely shared and may not even all be available to be shared

I just want to clarify here, to prevent myself from looking ridiculous, that I wouldn't buy the "they're married and have shared assets they can't play" argument, just that I would at least understand where it would be coming from.


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Originally Posted by theman200050
If you care about the integrity of the game, you shouldn't want this situation to come up, and should try to avoid it happening.
What situation? The situation where two people who know each other and have similar interests or jobs are in the same activity/event? Normally I'm all for being polite, but you're an imbecile.
06-27-2018 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Two decent players playing the same money will have a nice edge against the third, if they choose to use it, especially at a final table, even if they are not signalling and never saw each other play before.
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Originally Posted by Ten5x
If the dude refuses the chop and is aware they're in a relationship/shared bankroll, it's really just the fault of the 3rd guy. Nothing the casino can or should do really. It should be obvious you're at a disadvantage over normal situations, but maybe he thought he was still +EV despite slight collusion likely happening.
THEY OFFERED HIM A CHOP AND HE WANTED TO PLAY IT OUT. How dumb is this guy? I don't feel any sympathy, if anything I feel they shoulda turned the JJ and AA faceup and open checked it down. This ****ing idiot knew they were bf/gf and said "pff, I'll beat em 3 handed." What was he too deep in makeup to get unstuck if he didn't get 1st? Tourney players are a stone cold joke. Are these people even real people? Seriously, is this is all some Westworld-type level to **** with me?
06-27-2018 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by theman200050

Do people think it would be healthy for 2 people in a relationship to consistently play cash games with each other? Not unless they were soft playing each other at near 100% frequency. Which is what we saw.

I just want to return to this for a second.

There are perfectly legitimate reasons to soft play someone.

1. Busting a weak player in a cash game too early might take money off the table later.

2. The other person is a known aggressor and you play soft to avoid revealing any information unnecessarily.

3. You are unsure of your own hand's standing and want to minimise potential risk.

4. You are in a tournament, in a hand against another large stack and want to avoid confrontational because there are several small stacks who need to double or bust.

Additionally, we don't even know that the play was soft. The only hand that gets brought up consistently is AA vs JJ.

Two further issues come up:

1. Neither hand is really a lock by the river.
2. One hand does not make collusion.

The issue then becomes this:

People clamoring for action want players to give up equity--either directly by not playing together, or indirectly by making decisions they feel obligated to despite being less profitable on the surface -- because a miniscule sliver of the population could maybe take the resulting optics negatively if they read into them enough.

This is absurd. It is this kind of no-fun overreaction that makes poker appear so silly at times. This could have been a cute story, and instead the shrieking masses have turned it into a witch hunt.
06-27-2018 , 11:49 AM
Well said
06-27-2018 , 03:11 PM
Alas, I am now going to close the thread.

I am also going to delete the latest round of posts that contributed nothing to this thread other than causing it to be shut down.


      
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