Doyle said he can see around corners.

Honestly - the obvious answer if you look at Ferguson's success is that these former champs just become full nits.

The other obvious answer is that he is no longer a key current winning high profile poker player, as shown by his Hendon Mob results, which since 2011 have been very unimpressive.

So he isn't doing anything much these days to earn respect, though in the past he was undoubtedly a justified well respected player.

you mean high profile live MTT player. How many live MTTs has he entered since 2011. Sort of hard to say his results are unimpressive unless you knew the answer to that.

last time I knew anything about what he was doing, he was in Macau playing cash games. Not the old macau nosebleed game but something like 50/100 or 100/200 iirc. at the Wynn.

Its interesting when known pro player decides to back away from playing, or playing in public eye, the theorists start with... busto.... cant beat the game anymore..... etc etc sometimes people just chose to do other things with their lives.

But yeah, I would suspect that if you compared Chan's thinking around poker strategy to best players today, his thinking would seem dated.

Johnny Chan can't do GTO. He does not deserve any respect.

He doesn't even know combinatorics, nor does he know what a merged range or stack to pot ratio is...knowledge that the best 10 cent - 20 cent online grinders know. No respect for Johnny Chan.

thats pretty cocky actually. unless you know him personally how the hell do you know he is capable of, but thats just a side point.

If you think adhering to strict GTO is required be MTT winner, and/or earn respect, please reference videos of Hellmuth opening with 10BB stack for 3BBS and then folding after getting 3 bet.

Then go check his lifetime results.

does not compute.

Sure, but that's kind of an answer to a question that nobody really asked, as this is a thread from 2010 that someone decided to bump a few posts ago for I'm not sure what reason.

I hadn't spotted the original thread was that old. I don't know what the perception of Chan was back at the time of the original post, his live cashes back then were respectable, and he held his own on televised poker at the time, so it was probably someone trying to get attention by slagging off a well known poker player, as Doug Polk and Charlie Carrel are currently playing a tag team with each other to do.

Hopefully Johnny Chan has made and kept enough money to be retired or semi retired from poker, as one wouldn't think badly of a sprinter or footballer to stop playing at the top level as they get older, but people seem to oddly think top players should play forever, rather than quietly stop.

I think it was Barry Greenstein who said that Chan is one of the biggest winners in Macau, the guy probably has bigger fish to fry than to play tourneys on tv.

I wonder if this is at least partly because it's not as apparent to people when mental abilities decline as it is when physical abilities do. Speed and strength are much more measurable, and it's pretty obvious when an athlete can no longer run as fast, tackle as much, score as many touchdowns, etc. And the problem is exacerbated by a game like poker (especially for tournament players), when results (good or bad) can be written off to variance for a long time.

He’s like when Jack, Arnold Palmer, Tom Watson and Gary Player used to play the majors.
He’s never going to win, but deserves all the respect in the world.

I take it this is a level.

I don't give Johnny anymore thought other than his greatest moments and the first epic poker face I ever saw.


And it was very cool seeing him in the Bellagio poker room this summer.

Yeah Registered 2018 is a sarcastic troll who is very well known to me and one step away from starting another troll account after I ban this latest one. He thinks he is witty but all he generally does is post confusing uninteresting garbage.

People are arguing about Johnny Chan? Really?

well RR let us know it was just a big troll. so more of poor attempt at humor or what not, than any sort of argument.

I'm sorry OP, I don't remember.

Nope.

Well, I guess someone might be, but not in this thread for the last 9 years.

I see him playing at Hawaiin Gardens on a pretty regular basis in the big mixed games.

I respect the heck out of him and even more if he wants to be out of the limelight.

Because he is a nit !

Yeah, what kind of an ass has a heart attack and has to park close to the building I know right

Probably making a bank off his sites 4 and 8chan

He's a regular limit player In the 20/40 and 40/80 game at Hawaiian Gardens Casino in California. Barry Greenstein also plays there. Barry plays a mix game when it runs but limit when it doesn't apparently. Not sure if Chan plays the big mix game too or just the limit.

This is in the Bellagio highlimit area in April 2019. He was playing at the $500 min baccarat game (I was not). I dont know him, but recognized him and he was friendly with me that evening.

Ps. It took me forever to figure out how to post an image here, perhaps I missed the easy route.