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How is Annie Duke still appearing on NPR talking about poker? How is Annie Duke still appearing on NPR talking about poker?

10-02-2015 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
... the NBC HU tournament ... seems like a significant accomplishment to win an invitational HU tournament against an extremely strong field.
Especially for a woman. Sorry, I'm practicing being non-sexist, whenever I get a chance.
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10-02-2015 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi driller:

I'm not disputing any of this. But also during this time period she was playing in some of the ultra-high limit games that existed, and this included games that were as high as $2,000-$4,000. Do you have a report on how she did in these games?

Best wishes,
Mason
Was she part of the 'syndicate' to take on the 'banker', or was Jen Harman the only woman in the group?

Although many poker players dislike her, she does have her own website and marketing group promoting her. She gives seminars and speeches to large groups and organizations.

I find this interesting because her own business success seems geared to cashing out quick and maximizing her returns even if company goes down... and leaves many others with great losses.
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10-02-2015 , 01:16 PM
She played high stakes limit. Don't think she was a regular in the 2K/4K game at the Bellagio with Brunson, Greenstein, and Ivey.

I can see why people don't like her with her involvement with Ultimate Bet and her brother being a principle of Full Tilt. Plus a reputation for bitchy behavior and self promotion.

However, it isn't that much of a stretch to introduce her as a top female player on a show for the general public.
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10-02-2015 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
...IMO - Annette Obrestad is a much better and relevant female player who should be interviewed about today's poker world than Annie... and oh yeah, she has more poker winnings than Annie Duke...
To us, she might be much better, but the story wasn't targeted towards us.
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10-02-2015 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
In the first two tournaments of the 1994 World Series of Poker, Duke placed 14th (out of 506 players in a LIMIT event) and 5th (out of 212 players in a LIMIT event), and finished 26th (out of 268 players) in the NLH Main Event.

Following her move to Las Vegas, Duke continued successfully playing poker on a professional basis through the late 1990s, and by 2000 had 16 in the money finishes at WSOP events, prior to the WSOP World Championship event that year.

From 2000 onward, she became well known for her high profile achievements in WSOP events. In the 2000 WSOP World Championship event, although nine months pregnant with her third child, she placed 10th out of a total of 512 players, which was the second-highest finish by a woman in the event's history.

She received a WSOP gold bracelet in 2004, placing first out of 234 entrants in an Omaha Hi-Lo Split tournament.

By July of that year she had become the top female money winner in the history of the WSOP; earning over $650,000 from 25 in the money finishes, including 13 at the final table.

Later in 2004, she placed first in the inaugural WSOP Tournament of Champions, beating her brother and nine former world championship winners and winning $2 million. WSOP ToC was a freeroll - 10 players.

In the 2006 WSOP Main Event, she was one of only two women left in the tournament when she finished in 88th place with $51,129 in winnings.

In 2010, Duke won the NBC National Heads-Up Poker Championship,[/LEFT]
There is one credit that is not listed here. In her book she says she won the $2500 Limit Holdem at the Bellagio Five Star World Poker Classic on April 4, 2004, just before the start of the WSOP.
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10-02-2015 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Hi driller:

I'm not disputing any of this. But also during this time period she was playing in some of the ultra-high limit games that existed, and this included games that were as high as $2,000-$4,000. Do you have a report on how she did in these games?

Best wishes,
Mason
I ordered her book from Amazon and it just arrived yesterday. So I'm only about 30 pages in. She says she started out playing terribly at the 2004 WSOP. She was in divorce negotiations with Ben at the time and it effected her game. So after playing badly and getting knocked out of the $2000 Limit Holdem event she went out to Bellagio and sat in a $400-$800 Mixed Game to see if she could get her concentration back. She sat in the game for 8 hours and won $18,000. She says she worked out her concentration issues in that game.
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10-02-2015 , 06:54 PM
What are durrr's or isuldur's tournament results? She was a regular at $400/800 or whatever mixed limit. She was on Celebrity Apprentice and makes better TV and radio than some nerdy player. Who cares if she is one of the top 5 woman players now or whatever. Some kind of attitude here that anyone over 40 is terrible.
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10-02-2015 , 07:08 PM
I only caught a few minutes of it but it was very irritating how the host was acting as if Annie Duke was totally ignored and given no attention because she was a woman while PH got all the attention. That has literally nothing to do with sex.
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10-02-2015 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rinny
People don't like her because she is a woman poker player. I heard on NPR that they are discriminated against.
lol
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10-02-2015 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by betgo
What are durrr's or isuldur's tournament results? She was a regular at $400/800 or whatever mixed limit. She was on Celebrity Apprentice and makes better TV and radio than some nerdy player. Who cares if she is one of the top 5 woman players now or whatever. Some kind of attitude here that anyone over 40 is terrible.
It's really not that hard to beat 400/800 when it is four handed and two of your opponents happen to be your older brother and one of his bookmaking partners. Just saying.
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10-02-2015 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by driller
This is from her Wikipedia page:

In the first two tournaments of the 1994 World Series of Poker, Duke placed 14th and 5th, and finished 26th in the Main Event.[11] Following her move to Las Vegas, Duke continued successfully playing poker on a professional basis through the late 1990s,[1] and by 2000 had 16 in the money finishes at WSOP events, prior to the WSOP World Championship event that year.[10]

From 2000 onward, she became well known for her high profile achievements in WSOP events.[12] In the 2000 WSOP World Championship event, although nine months pregnant with her third child, she placed 10th out of a total of 512 players, which was the second-highest finish by a woman in the event's history.[1][13] She received a WSOP gold bracelet in 2004, placing first out of 234 entrants in an Omaha Hi-Lo Split tournament.[7][14] By July of that year she had become the top female money winner in the history of the WSOP; earning over $650,000 from 25 in the money finishes, including 13 at the final table.[1] Later in 2004, she placed first in the inaugural WSOP Tournament of Champions, beating her brother and nine former world championship winners and winning $2 million.[6][12] In the 2006 WSOP, she was one of only two women left in the tournament when she finished in 88th place with $51,129 in winnings.[15]

In 2010, Duke won the NBC National Heads-Up Poker Championship, winning $500,000 and becoming the first and only female winner of the event as of 2013. Her previous record at the tournament was one match win and five losses.[12][16]

In the 2010 event she came first out of 64 players, including previous winner Huck Seed, and defeated Erik Seidel in the final match.[17]

As of 2013, Duke's total winnings from her 38 cashes at the WSOP is $1,141,567[13] and she holds the women's record for most in the money finishes at the WSOP, ranking 34th overall.[18] In total, Duke has won over $4,270,000 in live tournaments and is ranked as the third highest winning woman of all time, as of 2012.[

I wonder how many of the haters here have a resume' that is 1/10th as good?
Must've been nice to have UB pay your entry fees for so long.
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10-03-2015 , 12:04 AM
On page 132 of her book Annie tells that she learned to be obnoxious to men in the room where she first started playing poker, the Crystal Lounge in Billings, Montana in the early nineties. She felt the men who played in those games were chauvinist pigs. She admits she used a lot of vocabulary designed to make them feel inferior and inadequate. And she admits she was never popular in that room.

Incidentally, the Crystal Lounge is the first place I played a new fangled game called Texas Holdem. It was 1984 and all I had ever seen in the cardrooms in Montana was five card stud. So I sat down in this holdem game at the Crystal. I had no clue what I was doing. It didn't take them long to fleece me.
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10-03-2015 , 10:51 AM
I wouldn't pooh pooh the win in the HU invitational tournament. The structure is fast, but HU invitational sounds pretty tough. The other winners have been Hellmuth, Forest, Wasicka, Ferguson, Seed, Seidel, and Matusow.

Interesting implication from the poster about collusion. Her brother, called "the professor", was in trouble before, charged with bookmaking in 1996. Also, his video on business ethics posted here before seems to describe a situation where a bunch of players in a game are playing with the same bankroll and it is important to share the winnings fairly.

She may not be winning much now, since she seems to be concentrating on other things. It is kind of hard to compare her to Annette, who also hasn't been heard from a lot recently. It is really hard to tell who the top female players are. Vanessa Selbst has had huge tournament results recently. Jennifer Harmon has been a long time high stakes regular. Beyond that, it is hard to tell, as you don't really have stats on everyone's wins and losses.
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10-03-2015 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by betgo
I wouldn't pooh pooh the win in the HU invitational tournament. The structure is fast, but HU invitational sounds pretty tough. The other winners have been Hellmuth, Forest, Wasicka, Ferguson, Seed, Seidel, and Matusow.

Interesting implication from the poster about collusion. Her brother, called "the professor", was in trouble before, charged with bookmaking in 1996. Also, his video on business ethics posted here before seems to describe a situation where a bunch of players in a game are playing with the same bankroll and it is important to share the winnings fairly.

She may not be winning much now, since she seems to be concentrating on other things. It is kind of hard to compare her to Annette, who also hasn't been heard from a lot recently. It is really hard to tell who the top female players are. Vanessa Selbst has had huge tournament results recently. Jennifer Harmon has been a long time high stakes regular. Beyond that, it is hard to tell, as you don't really have stats on everyone's wins and losses.
what's her net winnings in open events?

as for the hu event-i'm not sure what your point is. the entrants are well known poker players and some celebrities. of course most of the winners will be well known poker pros.winning some lucksack tiny invite event is not an accomplishment.
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10-03-2015 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by swd805
I only caught a few minutes of it but it was very irritating how the host was acting as if Annie Duke was totally ignored and given no attention because she was a woman while PH got all the attention. That has literally nothing to do with sex.
it's even funnier because the only reason anybody knows who she is is because she's a woman.
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10-03-2015 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
it's even funnier because the only reason anybody knows who she is is because she's a woman.
Stop being sexist. You must be a man. I can provide a reference to a psychiatrist if you'd like.

LOL.

Do you have sexist attitudes? The answer is yes, even though you've never been asked.
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10-03-2015 , 03:56 PM
I'm about half way through her autobiography and I'm getting a clearer picture of what made Annie Duke tick. She and Howard grew up playing cards with their parents. Her father was ruthless. He heavily criticized them when they made dumb moves. He refused to let them win unless they earned it. Since Annie was the youngest she was the one taking most of the beatings. On many occasions she would throw the cards against the wall and stomp out of the room. In the process both she and Howard developed a hatred of losing. They developed a win at all cost attitude.

Annie was a Psychology major in college. When she started playing poker she was entering a world dominated by men. Men who didn't think much of a girl poker player. She developed the psychological technique of talking down to them, belittling them, making them feel inferior. It was a tactic that payed major dividends. She didn't care if she was popular or not. She just wanted the money.

Which brings up something I found to be humorous in the book. It's actually something she didn't write about. I had to read between the lines. She and Ben owned a small house in Columbus, Montana. They were living off of an annuity of $900 to $1000 a month that Ben drew probably from some kind of inheritance. Money was very tight on them. She looked to poker to change all that. Her initial success was in the low limit games.

Howard sent her a $2400 check along with Sklansky's The Theory of Poker and Brunson's Super System so she could start attacking the 10-20 game at the Crystal Lounge. This is what I find amusing. I'm only half way through the book but so far she hasn't written anything about Ben looking for work or ever having a job. It appears to me, reading between the lines, that Ben's only talents in life were having the right ancestors to draw an inheritance from and being the sperm donor for Annie's children.
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10-03-2015 , 06:45 PM
^^^^^ LOL!
lemme guess... is this Leo or Lucy Duke?

I don't know why you feel the need to recount Annie's life story... the whole point of this thread is nobody cares!

a person who once did well in a few limit tournaments TEN years ago and ran well in a couple of freerolls TEN years ago hardly makes for an impressive resume or being an amazing poker player... regardless of gender, race or religion.

worship her if u must - but the irony here is that if weren't for the men in her life - Howard, Russ, Jeff, Ben and Joseph - nobody would be talking about her.
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10-03-2015 , 06:52 PM
Noone denies that she's smart and well-spoken, and she does have poker chops. It's not that she's older and most of her results are pre-boom. It's not that her odious, better-than-you attitude draws the disdain of her contemporaries. It's DEFINITELY not that she's Lederer's brother.

It's that she has consistantly lied to and scammed the very communiy she so often claims to represent.

Watch UltimateBeat, the movie about UB. Wether or not she was involved in the actual cheating, she was a tireless advocate for "the brand", swearing that the "new management" (Paul Leggett) made reforms and instituted protections for players, and they paid all the money back, etc ad nauseum. She was paid very well and made no apologies about it. UB bought her a house, paid tourney buy-ins, and gave lots of money to charity trying to help her win Celebrity Apprentice. She (and Hellmuth) both resigned from UB for some unexplained reason and a few months later BF hit and UB folded like a lawn chair, totally screwing players. She can claim ignorance of malfeasance all she wants, but you can't build a career telling eveyone how smart you are then claim you were duped by unscrupulous management.

Next she helped found Epic Poker League. It didn't last long because they ran out of money, and lots of players were again screwed over, yet she somehow paid herself like $150k for her efforts.

She's a total con artist. "Con" being short for "confidence", which was what her entire role at UB and Epc was meant to inspire: confidence in whatever snake-oil "brand" she was fronting. So pardon folks for holding their nose and spewing vile filth at her mention, Hendon Mob results be damned.
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10-03-2015 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by bulls_horn
Noone denies that she's smart and well-spoken, and she does have poker chops. It's not that she's older and most of her results are pre-boom. It's not that her odious, better-than-you attitude draws the disdain of her contemporaries. It's DEFINITELY not that she's Lederer's brother.

It's that she has consistantly lied to and scammed the very communiy she so often claims to represent.

Watch UltimateBeat, the movie about UB. Wether or not she was involved in the actual cheating, she was a tireless advocate for "the brand", swearing that the "new management" (Paul Leggett) made reforms and instituted protections for players, and they paid all the money back, etc ad nauseum. She was paid very well and made no apologies about it. UB bought her a house, paid tourney buy-ins, and gave lots of money to charity trying to help her win Celebrity Apprentice. She (and Hellmuth) both resigned from UB for some unexplained reason and a few months later BF hit and UB folded like a lawn chair, totally screwing players. She can claim ignorance of malfeasance all she wants, but you can't build a career telling eveyone how smart you are then claim you were duped by unscrupulous management.

Next she helped found Epic Poker League. It didn't last long because they ran out of money, and lots of players were again screwed over, yet she somehow paid herself like $150k for her efforts.

She's a total con artist. "Con" being short for "confidence", which was what her entire role at UB and Epc was meant to inspire: confidence in whatever snake-oil "brand" she was fronting. So pardon folks for holding their nose and spewing vile filth at her mention, Hendon Mob results be damned.
ding ding ding.
but if you called a scumbag classless thieving piece of **** out for what they are you're sexist if they happen to be a woman.

also lol@ this wench writing an autobiography or anyone reading it.
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10-03-2015 , 09:16 PM
6000 views so far in this thread and no one cares? I'm a vociferous reader. I've been highly critical of her in the past ans was so earlier in this thread. But I wanted to get her side of the story on her rise in poker. As the guy said "It's a mighty thin slice of ham that doesn't have two sides to it." It's actually been a very interesting read so far.
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10-03-2015 , 11:43 PM
My impression is that she didn't win that much when UB was paying her entries and hasn't played much major tournaments since. She was playing high stakes limit mixed games and major tournaments when they started televising them, thus making her a TV pro.

You don't know if she has been playing live cash lately and what her results are or what names she might play under online. You really don't know what her results are and can't judge her based on live major tournaments. She is obviously a strong player, but probably not one of the top women players now.

The win of the HU invitational is an accomplishment. There is a lot of luck involved, but certain players such as Ferguson, Ivey, Hellmuth, and Seidel have repeatedly gone deep in it. She beat Seidel in the finals.

They put her on the radio show because she makes a good show. Most poker players do not make for good radio or TV. The viewers probably don't know or care exactly what her rank is.

You can see from the Apprentice that she has a win at all costs approach. She is not always the most pleasant person and she has been associated with some shady goings on.

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10-04-2015 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by HiroNakamara
^^^^^ LOL!
lemme guess... is this Leo or Lucy Duke?

I don't know why you feel the need to recount Annie's life story... the whole point of this thread is nobody cares!

a person who once did well in a few limit tournaments TEN years ago and ran well in a couple of freerolls TEN years ago hardly makes for an impressive resume or being an amazing poker player... regardless of gender, race or religion.

worship her if u must - but the irony here is that if weren't for the men in her life - Howard, Russ, Jeff, Ben and Joseph - nobody would be talking about her.

Yeah!! You tell'em!! Now put your poker resume up here so we can compare yours to hers. You must have her beat hands down, right. You show us, boss. What a man you are!
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10-04-2015 , 05:53 PM
None of us Joe Blow cash game players at the 2004 WSOP knew that Annie and Ben had been separated for several months and were negotiating a divorce. That was the year Affleck showed and contracted Howard and Annie to teach him to play no limit holdem. There was some nasty rumors about her and Affleck floating thru the cash games. He was a known womanizer. About a month after the WSOP ended Annie was on the cover of Cardplayer Magazine. In the interview she said "people want to know what it is like to be a professional poker player and a single mother of four." Thats the first us Joe Blow players knew she was divorced.
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10-05-2015 , 01:16 AM
Annie Duke interviewed by USA today about financial advice. Published Oct 2015

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...nces/73200804/
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