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Old 07-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #276
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (markup on HR 2267 now!)

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Wasn't clear since Frank was explaining the amendment, but I assume for research purposes?
Yes, it's for research purposes. Many think it will be a valuable tool for learning about compulsive behaviors.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #277
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

lets just hope it keeps on winning.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:09 PM   #278
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If you guys ever think that you can't make a difference, my republican rep Kenny Marchant of Texas had previously written me a letter that he was against it, but would look into it further. After a long response from me and several letters and phone calls from other voters here in his district, he voted for the bill.

You HAVE to get out there and call your reps. If you support them, they will support you. It does make a huge difference.

Amazing. Congrats.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:11 PM   #279
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (roll call vote at 3:20pm)

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"Illegally" is the key word here, both Stars and FTP are licensed. They would not have pushed so hard for this if they didn't think they were included (at least this is what I have been told).

Look at France as an example. Stars I believe was the first to open their doors to French players.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:12 PM   #280
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (roll call vote at 3:20pm)

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Kentucky has a track record for being against online poker, they want us to bet on the ponies.... Ky sucks
We have a reasonable chance, especially if YouBet and TwinSpires wish to enter the market.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:14 PM   #281
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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I fully expect the jackass Senator Kyl putting a hold on the bill and it dies in the senate.
Kyl was just put on strong notice that poker players are keeping the door open for online casino gaming.

We have a poker-only bill in the Senate. It will be interesting to see how it all works out.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:16 PM   #282
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

goodbye rakeback if passed
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:16 PM   #283
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

So does this mean BoDog will be done in the US since they allow Sports Betting?
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:17 PM   #284
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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How can this bill be a good thing if the talk seems to be Stars getting shut out of the American market?

I've tried Full Tilt and Cake and Bodog and that SpadeEye (er, SpadeClub?) piece of crap. THEY ALL SUCK. I played on Party Poker when they were still here... meh.

Poker Stars is far and away the best site IMO and if they get closed down here I am done with online. F this bull**** and America's ******ed politicians and laws.
Check my earlier response. FTP and PS will be there seeking licenses.

Also, why assume there will be no U.S. sites? Surely these companies will have sites going in short order.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:19 PM   #285
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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goodbye rakeback if passed
Could you expand on that?
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:19 PM   #286
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 and other bills 10am ET Wednesday

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Can you clarify what it means for players to not be liable for this tax? Do you want a ban in the bill for deposit fees or something?
The deposit penalty tax would be on the unlicensed sites, not on the players.

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Otherwise sites could just "pay the tax themselves" and charge an equivalent "deposit fee."
It's unlikely that an unlicensed site would pay this penalty.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:19 PM   #287
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (markup on HR 2267 now!)

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The sites contend that they have violated no U.S. laws, so they believe they do not fall into that exclusion.
However, they violated STATE gambling laws (Washington State) as well as UIGEA provisions - so Stars, Tilt, and others are going to have a tough fight on their hands - my guess is they won't be allowed to compete in the US market as their original entity. Harrahs et al I'm sure will use their weight to keep em out.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:21 PM   #288
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

ONE represnetative voted PRESENT instead of Aye or Ney,

RON PAUL
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:22 PM   #289
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

Thats because Ron Paul is the man.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:23 PM   #290
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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goodbye rakeback if passed
What makes you think that? There's nothing in the bill banning rakeback.

IMO, it's more likely that we lose poker -- and rakeback along with it -- if we don't get something through Congress.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:24 PM   #291
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (markup on HR 2267 now!)

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However, they violated STATE gambling laws (Washington State) as well as UIGEA provisions - so Stars, Tilt, and others are going to have a tough fight on their hands - my guess is they won't be allowed to compete in the US market as their original entity. Harrahs et al I'm sure will use their weight to keep em out.
They will likley claim that states lack authority over interstate commerce. It will be interesting.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:24 PM   #292
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

what does a PRESENT vote do?
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:25 PM   #293
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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ONE represnetative voted PRESENT instead of Aye or Ney,

RON PAUL
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Thats because Ron Paul is the man.
He supports the objectives of the bill. He probably found something in an amendment that he felt was unconstitutional.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:26 PM   #294
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

He finds a lot of what congress does unconstitutional. But thats a different topic.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:27 PM   #295
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I thought there's a 2% deposit tax that's in the other bill that will almost certainly end up tacked on to this one.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:32 PM   #296
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

I probably would agree that rakeback would be gone as there would be little need for it. That said most sites are going to an "in house" model in the first place which has similar to the same benefits. While this bill if passed would create another mini-boom the sites that will do well won't take that for granted this time (in my opinion). It's pretty obvious that PokerStars got a big jump on everyone and I think you can expect the more savvy operators to emulate their programs (which are pretty close to rakeback).

Remember that there will be a lot more competition, this in theory should be very good for the consumer. What we may lose slightly in rakeback we should gain in casual players. So I don't think the rakeback issue is something that should derail this for anyone on the fence.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:33 PM   #297
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

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what does a PRESENT vote do?
It is basically stating you were there for the vote, but chose to abstain on the bill.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:40 PM   #298
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He was referring to my article, at http://biggovernment.com/rmuny/2010/...et-for-the-gop.

LOL at getting paid to do it (I wasn't), as if no one would otherwise complain about his actions in this area.
nice -- reposted to my FB.

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Too bad Bachus did not read the British Gambling Prevalence Survey of 2007. Had he checked that out, he would have seen on page ten that the UK, a nation with ample licensed online and “bricks and mortar” gaming, has a problem gaming rate of just 0.6%. That rate was unchanged from 1999. Perhaps then he would realize that the focus ought to be on that small group, rather than on taking rights from the 99.4% of Americans who either responsibly enjoy poker or who choose not to participate.
IMO, this is similar to abortion. If the anti-abortion movement was really only about preventing abortions then they would be pushing for better and cheaper contraception because 0 unintended pregnancies means 0 abortions. But the abortion issue is not just about "think of the fetus", it is about the anti-abortion lobby's desire to control other people's sexual behavior. Consequently, many (most?) of the anti-abortion crowd are also in favor of abstinence only education despite overwhelming scientific evidence that astinence only sex-ed fails miserably.

Likewise, Bachus is not all that interested in preventing problem gambling, he is interested in trying to force people to live what he believes is the one true moral lifestyle. In his eyes, non-problem gambling is just as bad and needs to be prevented.

Alternatively, you might claim Bachus is just a mercenary (I don't know -- I doubt it but it is possible) in which case the above applies to the constituency that is pulling the strings.
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:46 PM   #299
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Re: House Financial Services Committee Markup on HR 2267 (passes 41-22)

gg international poker

edit: apparently this law does not say anything about the nationality of the players?

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