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Old 12-13-2017, 04:40 AM   #51
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there has literally never been one issue getting my money from him when I win ever. And we have played in that game quite a few times and have always been paid the money in full and sometimes he splits off mine when we go grab breakfast or something, so it never crossed my mind that I would need to get my $10k before something happened.

I appreciate everyone’s opinions/advice on this matter
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:55 AM   #52
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Guy still owes you money, but what I would do if one of my friends owed me and ran into a bit of trouble, whether it be getting robbed or a sudden life cost/ expenditure like death in the family and what not I'd give reasonable leeway in the timeframe I expect to be paid.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:12 AM   #53
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That was my thought but then it turned out it is hidden in one of the various posts in this thread; he had some cash with him before the game (why go on the books if you have cash) and others might have paid him back or something like that. We're supposed to have figured that out in this weird story with plenty of holes.
It's easier and less risk for the banker just to write amounts down for people that are trustworthy and are swinging big numbers. A home game with 100k plus in the room is dangerous for everyone. A lot of games are played on credit and settled up in a more discrete environment or old school where the losers can write a check (to hold or cash) .

Everyone is trying to run the numbers to make OP a liar when all he is asking is what should happen in a unique situation where two people's opinions differ. The backer could have gotten the money out of his apartment gun safe and gotten robbed waiting for OP in the parking lot for all we know.

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Old 12-13-2017, 11:42 AM   #54
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It's easier and less risk for the banker just to write amounts down for people that are trustworthy and are swinging big numbers. A home game with 100k plus in the room is dangerous for everyone. A lot of games are played on credit and settled up in a more discrete environment or old school where the losers can write a check (to hold or cash) .

Everyone is trying to run the numbers to make OP a liar when all he is asking is what should happen in a unique situation where two people's opinions differ. The backer could have gotten the money out of his apartment gun safe and gotten robbed waiting for OP in the parking lot for all we know.
My experience in club games is that the regs are rarely paying cash, and usually playing on the sheet. The bigger the game is the more likely it is. I've been asked before if I could wait to get paid because a new player won and needs to be paid out, and similarly rarely bring much cash to the 2/5 game I play in.
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Old 12-13-2017, 12:24 PM   #55
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It's easier and less risk for the banker just to write amounts down for people that are trustworthy and are swinging big numbers. A home game with 100k plus in the room is dangerous for everyone. A lot of games are played on credit and settled up in a more discrete environment or old school where the losers can write a check (to hold or cash) .
+1, "mo money, mo problems"

More money in the room means more security is necessary which means higher rake because somebody has to pay for that. You also don't want to have an amount of money around that people think it's worth killing for. Especially if it's a swingy game like PLO where people win/lose big all the time.
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:25 PM   #56
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Update: there is nothing to update other than him trying to justify to me why he doesn’t owe me the money. He says we were chopping profits from the game and the profits go robbed, so there are no profits, we both lose. He also told me that if the roles were reversed I wouldn’t hand him $10k out of my pocket
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:42 PM   #57
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So are you still $7K in makeup? In his explanation you would be, right?
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:45 PM   #58
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Update: there is nothing to update other than him trying to justify to me why he doesn’t owe me the money. He says we were chopping profits from the game and the profits go robbed, so there are no profits, we both lose. He also told me that if the roles were reversed I wouldn’t hand him $10k out of my pocket
lol hes cheating u out ur money, he used ur profit from the game to pay off his debt from the game hence why all he left with was 2k, how can he think hes due you nothing, if hes not trying to cheat u here hes absolutely thick as ****
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Old 12-13-2017, 02:56 PM   #59
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He definitely seems like he's lying to you/scamming you. Assuming he's truthful it seems standard that he should owe you and that you should be a little laxxed about how long it takes to get it.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:06 PM   #60
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Update: there is nothing to update other than him trying to justify to me why he doesn’t owe me the money. He says we were chopping profits from the game and the profits go robbed, so there are no profits, we both lose. He also told me that if the roles were reversed I wouldn’t hand him $10k out of my pocket
Demand to see a police report. When he doesn't produce one, ask, "why?" When he says he doesn't want to report getting robbed at gunpoint for large amounts of cash, pull out a gun and rob him.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:20 PM   #61
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Two wrongs don’t make a right man. Really hope you’re joking. I guess I’m just at the mercy of what he decides to do. I definitely learned my lesson though. Also to whoever asked me if there were Asheville players, I will say no, but I won’t answer any more questions about the location of this game or the players in it to protect the anonymity of everyone involved.
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Old 12-13-2017, 03:59 PM   #62
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Two wrongs don’t make a right man. Really hope you’re joking. I guess I’m just at the mercy of what he decides to do. I definitely learned my lesson though. Also to whoever asked me if there were Asheville players, I will say no, but I won’t answer any more questions about the location of this game or the players in it to protect the anonymity of everyone involved.

I think poker players and people in general get scammed and robbed because people like yourself don’t do anything about it.

Clearly he owes you the money. He either faked the robbery so he didn’t have to pay you, or is just an idiot regardless. Get your damn money back. Jesus.

I like what the other person said. Just rob him back. So many plot holes in this story.

I mean what’s to stop you from going into a game $20k in the book. Dump to a friend. Have him get paid and you guys chop it up. Then you go to “pay” the backer the 20k back and .... whoops! You got robbed! NoW you don’t owe 20k right?
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Old 12-13-2017, 04:15 PM   #63
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This is a lot more ambitious than the jocks in HS who collected from everyone for beer, left, came back and said the adult they got to score went out the back door of the mini-mart.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:34 PM   #64
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I like what the other person said. Just rob him back.
There are a gazillion things he could do that don't involve committing a felony and possibly getting shot.
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Old 12-13-2017, 05:34 PM   #65
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If he is actually telling the truth about being robbed then I could imagine him being pissed at you for mentioned reasons. That doesn't mean he doesn't owe you 100% or at least the vast majority of the money.

And I really do hope you take steps to ensure you get paid, one way or another.
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Old 12-13-2017, 06:32 PM   #66
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Robbery story sounds like total BS

He just happened to get robbed for twice the amount he owes you and then wants to split the losses?

Ask him what he would say if you got your 10k from him at his house then someone robbed you in his driveway on your way out
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Old 12-13-2017, 07:44 PM   #67
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Two wrongs don’t make a right man. Really hope you’re joking. I guess I’m just at the mercy of what he decides to do. I definitely learned my lesson though. Also to whoever asked me if there were Asheville players, I will say no, but I won’t answer any more questions about the location of this game or the players in it to protect the anonymity of everyone involved.
thats as dumb as saying violence doesn't solve anything. its not wrong to collect what's yours. it's wrong of him to keep it. and if he didn't go to the police in the first place there is a good chance you are the one getting robbed.

talking like that in the first place makes you an easy mark. i mean does your bookie know that he can just not pay you and you are the type of person to do nothing about it? you should have at least been saying some crazy stuff about what you would do to someone who robbed you or refused to pay in the course of you dealings with him so that he knows you're at least not gonna be an easy mark. whether or not you would do it, dont tell shady dudes who owe you 5 figures that you are a pacifist, jainist or whatever.

so if he decides to not pay you, you have no recourse? you got robbed not him dude, wake-up. 10k is a lot of money and worth ending the relationship with you apparently whether he got robbed or not.

you should at the very least report him to authorities that he is running an illegal gambling operation. the feds would care about that.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:35 PM   #68
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thats as dumb as saying violence doesn't solve anything. its not wrong to collect what's yours.
It's a felony. Ask OJ, he knows a thing or two about that.
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Old 12-13-2017, 10:49 PM   #69
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It's a felony. Ask OJ, he knows a thing or two about that.
Many things are felonies. The diff is getting caught and not.

The underground world has diff rules. If someone stiffed me for that kind of money you bet your ass I’d get it back one way or another.

Whether it’s scamming him back or something. 10k is a lot of $ and it’s the principle
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Old 12-13-2017, 11:57 PM   #70
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LOL at him saying if you were robbed he would not expect you to pay him. that is just the biggest ****ing lie i have ever heard.

i cant believe this guy has as good a rep as you say.

guess he just thinks you are soft and you will just eat his **** and that will be that.

bottom line is he owes you 100% what is yours and not a penny less.
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:28 AM   #71
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too many trust issues with any live poker cash game staking. I'd personally never do it and wouldn't recommend it to anyone
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Old 12-14-2017, 12:48 AM   #72
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OMG he did not get robbed OP.

He's shooting an angle (without trying to completely alienate a horse he perceives is profitable) at the kind of street dumb guy that would believe the story to begin with and then post in NVG looking for solutions.

"I just took the biggest loss in the game, while you won the most by far and happened to get robbed on the way to bring you your money". Cmon man! gl
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Old 12-14-2017, 01:48 AM   #73
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whether or not you would do it, dont tell shady dudes who owe you 5 figures that you are a pacifist, jainist or whatever.
Def dropping my 1000th post on a Jainist reference. They are the goat humans.


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Old 12-14-2017, 02:25 AM   #74
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If my buddy owes me $5 and he gets robbed for $10... he still owes me $5. How do you not carry a gun with that much cash on you if it's a regular thing? If I did that I'd get a license to carry, he messed up big time.

I like the scam angle as well in this. Humans are idiots when it comes to money, it's been shown over and over again just don't trust anyone with large amounts of cash around unless they are your people. He's not your people...
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Old 12-14-2017, 09:51 AM   #75
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This is a total angle on his part, would almost put money on him never actually getting robbed, only robbery that took place is the money he owes you. Good luck, but if this guy supposedly had/has such a great bookie/staking rep. I would start getting others who know him involved. At this point it seems like you wont be getting another dollar from him so you don't really have much to lose from telling mutual friends/players your story.
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