Is Higher Limits Easier?
12-19-2008
, 01:01 AM
12-19-2008
, 01:13 AM
12-19-2008
, 01:21 AM
12-20-2008
, 12:46 AM
I understand what you mean OP, but its still not true.
Its all about adjusting.
I believe your point is that if (for example) you get AA on medium-high stakes you can thin the field with a decent raise and play accordingly, in micro stakes theres just no amount of raise that will get less than 3 callers, even all in. It gets frustrating when you lose your bankroll with AA against somebody who doesnt know what hes doing callin all in with J7 (but it was suited!).
Variance is way higher in micro, but thats also true for predictability.
What this means is that you just have to sit and wait till you get a monster AFTER flop and bet it hard, no matter what you should find callers. This way you drastically reduce variance, and basically youll lose relatively small pots and win big ones.
Following this simple advice should get you through micro. Theres no simple advice that will get you through medium-high stakes. Thats why its easier.
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Its all about adjusting.
I believe your point is that if (for example) you get AA on medium-high stakes you can thin the field with a decent raise and play accordingly, in micro stakes theres just no amount of raise that will get less than 3 callers, even all in. It gets frustrating when you lose your bankroll with AA against somebody who doesnt know what hes doing callin all in with J7 (but it was suited!).
Variance is way higher in micro, but thats also true for predictability.
What this means is that you just have to sit and wait till you get a monster AFTER flop and bet it hard, no matter what you should find callers. This way you drastically reduce variance, and basically youll lose relatively small pots and win big ones.
Following this simple advice should get you through micro. Theres no simple advice that will get you through medium-high stakes. Thats why its easier.
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12-20-2008
, 01:26 AM
12-20-2008
, 02:41 PM
This could well be the most ******ed thread ever seen on the interwebz - definetely ******ed enough that my opinion is needed. Why is everyone acting as if there's no such thing as a LAG at higher stakes!? I only play micro's but if there's no-one there to bluff you off your marginal hands at higher stakes, then surely YOU ARE GOING TO WIN AT POKER! At least with rakeback...
This post makes the baby Jesus cry - all these internet whizzkids that are winning the tornaments these days are the only ones making bluffs and reraising light, making them the only good players on the internet? And for the bolded bit, so these players are sitting around for an hour before they fearlessly shove in the best hand that's never gonna get called as they've played so tight?
And obviously the higher stakes are gonna be harder than the lower, since if the fish can't afford the higher losses then they just aren't gonna be found as regularly as the decent players, who are thinking rationally when playing. Unless there's a Canadian billionaire in town
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OP, yes, there is more folding going on in higher limits.
That doesn't mean it's easier.
In fact, I think it makes it harder. Example:
I've noticed that my higher limit table is playing fairly tight. I've loosened my opening hand range (hands I initiate betting with pre-flop), but the blinds are low. 10/20, 15/30, 25/50.
I steal a few blinds, and in the SnG you're thinking of, I've went from 1500, to potentially 1700.
I get AA, UTG, and think, "Yes! Someone is going to call me!" I 3x it, and no one calls.
Now I'm in the cutoff in the 25/50 with 1750, and I have QT. Again, the table is playing very tight. I 3x it, and the button, makes it 450. I fold since I basically HAVE to fold.
We're in the 50/100 now, no one has busted out of the SnG, and it folds around to be on the button. The two blinds have been playing REALLY tight, so I raise it up with XX, and the BB reships all in. I fold. All the folding that's been going on, all the small little pots I've "stolen" and I'm still under my starting stack if I didn't get a great hand against a very good 2nd best hand.
...the point is that it's really hard to get the "home-run" type of pots in higher limits that you get in lower limits. You're basically having to get as creative as you can to get the smallest pots. The higher limits players are more patient than you, more disciplined, way more focused, way more fearless, and in emotional control.
You play them enough, and all the sudden you wish you COULD get someone to call you down with middle pair. Don't forget all the times in lower limits where you had a great hand, and someone has called your all in with 40bbs with top pair 9 kicker.
It's WAY easier in lower limits.
That doesn't mean it's easier.
In fact, I think it makes it harder. Example:
I've noticed that my higher limit table is playing fairly tight. I've loosened my opening hand range (hands I initiate betting with pre-flop), but the blinds are low. 10/20, 15/30, 25/50.
I steal a few blinds, and in the SnG you're thinking of, I've went from 1500, to potentially 1700.
I get AA, UTG, and think, "Yes! Someone is going to call me!" I 3x it, and no one calls.
Now I'm in the cutoff in the 25/50 with 1750, and I have QT. Again, the table is playing very tight. I 3x it, and the button, makes it 450. I fold since I basically HAVE to fold.
We're in the 50/100 now, no one has busted out of the SnG, and it folds around to be on the button. The two blinds have been playing REALLY tight, so I raise it up with XX, and the BB reships all in. I fold. All the folding that's been going on, all the small little pots I've "stolen" and I'm still under my starting stack if I didn't get a great hand against a very good 2nd best hand.
...the point is that it's really hard to get the "home-run" type of pots in higher limits that you get in lower limits. You're basically having to get as creative as you can to get the smallest pots. The higher limits players are more patient than you, more disciplined, way more focused, way more fearless, and in emotional control.
You play them enough, and all the sudden you wish you COULD get someone to call you down with middle pair. Don't forget all the times in lower limits where you had a great hand, and someone has called your all in with 40bbs with top pair 9 kicker.
It's WAY easier in lower limits.
And obviously the higher stakes are gonna be harder than the lower, since if the fish can't afford the higher losses then they just aren't gonna be found as regularly as the decent players, who are thinking rationally when playing. Unless there's a Canadian billionaire in town
Last edited by Hickley; 12-20-2008 at 02:48 PM.