Poker isn't gambling in the sense you are talking about and most ppl who actually play poker know this very well..
As for comparing chess again I will say again they have nothing to do with each other and aren't comparable in the slightest in the context used here
Tournaments of every kind of game do that and we can play a game of anything for money(chess is usually for the rating points rather than measly cash prizes)
Both are irrelevant if I'm honest.

Both are games of strategy and memory.
If I lost money everytime I lost a piece we could maybe equate the games a bit better
I don't gamble on anything I can't influence but ppl can do as they please.

On the making things fair for all
A set reasonable % for rake at each stake and a clear method of getting RB seems fair as does atleast trying for the "community".

I don't like leaderboards and all this bs to produce more rake on GG
Either that or very low rake and no RB for anyone.
Losers are losers and winner's are winner's in my book
If a site wants to encourage losing players to deposit more they should offer deposit bonuses or tickets of your most played game etc

Just because someone is not a professional poker player doesn't necessarily mean they are not good enough to be one. That default response is pretty weak and reeks of arrogance. There are all kinds of factors that go into it, like having a family, having a really good paying job or already being very successful off the felt, not having the time they would need to put in the work to be successful and sustain it, not enjoying that type of lifestyle, scheduling conflicts, etc.

You really swung and missed on your comparison as well. 'Sportsmen' don't make money off of other 'sportsmen' playing the same sport against them, for the most part. A baseball player is not bum hunting another amatuer baseball player to take money off of them, lol. What are you even talking about here ?

A lot of replies in this thread reek of jealousy and envy

Say that to all the football players ans golf players that go bumhunting in saudi

In these situations, I am generally going to side with the player rather than the house. The rake in Plo seems pretty unreasonable and I applaud those players efforts to exert market forces on the house in an attempt to lower the rake.

However, I also find it annoying as **** to have a guy who joined three days ago attempt to rally the community in an attempt to make the games more profitable for himself/themselves, especially when they share in responsibility for creating such imbalances in the player pool.

So good luck with the boycott. I will give you my thoughts and prayers, but not much else.

That's always the reply when players complain about the bs HS regs and Pros do to affect the game negatively
Envy and jealousy have little to do with it.
It's more like We told you so and Go F yourself in reply to this boycott
Many of us wanted a community effort to get better deals for the players across the board when the players had a slight bit of leverage last time
You all did the same bs and spewed nonsense about jealousy and things being good for the community when that's just flat out lies
No wonder they are not liked by huge swathes of the poker community

Basically this. The rake seems unsustainably high, and I hope that the players can use a boycott to get some concessions. But let's not pretend that this is a massive community concern rather than a small group of elite pros trying to improve their personal bottom line. GG rake is also unreasonably high across other stakes and gametypes, and none of these efforts have even tried to move the needle anywhere else or support the 99.9% of the playerbase playing outside of nosebleeds.

Good luck with your boycott but let's please just call this what it is.

Yeah this ain't a trickle down thing where truth fights power and everyone gets some of the spoils, this is not a robin hood scenario.

At least they're unionising and trying to do something about it. All regs should do the same at every stake. Of course that'll never happen because there is no "community" per se, but I fully support what they're doing.

if only the HS community didnt collectively move to GG in the first place

Rich peoples problems bore me.

I have troubles of my own, and they don't involve self entitled egomaniacs thinking they have the right to demand that a privately owned company stop doing business as it pleases or to demand that a company must change a business model that it has created through hard work and shrewd investment, simply because they want it to.

GG hosts the games, they tell you how much the games are raked; if you don't like it go play somewhere else.

At the very least just stop whining about it.

You could see this as a strike, they are allowed.

And if the rake gets down high up it can maybe go down at lower levels too, at least not increase. This could compensate for Daniel's image impact, or whatever marketing not mentioning the cost. Kind of a consumer response.

Maybe a good site could be run a bit cheaper? Maybe GG could get some processes more effective? Hubris is always possible when things are going "well"

The recs pay more for playing with high rake too, btw.

Well said

You think they are bumhunting each other? While I agree with the discontent you have with them, this is not remotely related to the topic at hand.

GG wants to make a certain amount of money. If the high stakes players get their way a smaller percentage will come from them. Guess who winds up paying more in the long run if they get their way?

Not sure I understand the "I told you so" stance on the boycott.

GG did a lot of things well as a business to attract and retain their players all whilst many other sites gave up on that. I don't think the guys who are hating on the boycott/HS regs are jealous or envious but maybe a little bitter about something.

I don't know why on earth you're upset that HS regs aren't trying to improve rake at low stakes. They have zero leverage there. If you want change at your own stake, then organize a boycott yourself. I'll save you the effort, though: it's just not going to happen. The player pool is way, way too big for collective action. HS games are in a unique situation because the pool is small enough that (a) regs are necessary for the games to run, and (b) there are few enough regs that you can just get them all in a Discord server and coordinate.

You can say "envy and jealousy have little to do with it" but then you say "Many of us wanted a community effort to get better deals for the players across the board". Sounds like jealousy, bitterness, selfishness, "I don't see how this benefits me therefore **** you", whatever you want to call it.

Because the HS regs are claiming they are doing it for the community not for themselves and as you point out they are not telling the truth. Decent people despise scum that lie to pretend they are trying to help the community not just line their pockets.

The two things do not have to be mutually exclusive. Poker is meant to be fun and this rake level heavily encourages bumhunting (something that is completely against what GG wants). It is no longer really skill based and is just about who can click faster or stare at empty tables longer.

For the rec the tables instantly fill when they sit and break after they lose their money because no one is willing to battle at this rake level. It's really not fun for anyone.

The gameplay will improve for all players at HS if the rake is lowered and I am willing to bet that people will fight harder to keep or get the tables running. This is what is meant by community.

If you are talking about calling people scum, maybe look towards the people who openly oppose the boycott and currently sit every VIP table that is running just so they can make a few quick bucks knowing that none of the top regulars are going to join.

The I told you so is because this could have been avoided if certain ppl had listened with the last boycott and got a chunk of players from every stake and made an effort to fix the god damn **** show that is GG and it's rake system .
Predictably they just brushed it aside with the it's good for everyone spiel
Bitter . No
Annoyed at constant selfishness and self righteous nonsense that gets talked on this site

News flash
GG don't want HS Pro's or Regs
They have specifically statedi its a site geared towards recreational players
Awww your now complaining ppl aren't sticking to your boycott 🤣.
They are chasing the cash just like the ppl boycotting but aren't pretending to be for everyone
I hope more ppl break it and it might teach those above to take care of the eco system over your pocket.
doing things as a group not just by stake( which makes it easier for GG to ignore) would be so much better

You have to start somewhere.

"It's good it's expensive to play". Let me put it this way: lol. Somehow George Orwell comes to mind.

Their business model is clearly very smart and working extremely well. It's also a bit silly to say they dont care about pros, clearly they focus more on the recreationals. But that is like complaining that girls get treated better in night clubs or that you need to be a vip customer to get access to certain items from Ferrari, Hermes or Rolex. It makes perfect sense to me that they focus more on the customers that are responsible for them making money. At some point they clearly focused too much on recreationals, but since then a lot has changed and they have grown even more because of it. Without recreationals there isn't any fish, and if you focus too much on the pros you wont be able to get recreationals. Runitonce was a great example of this

Also about last part, clearly you can't organize a bunch of microstakes players. How do you think that would even be possible, lol

When anyone invokes Orwell I find it rewarding to push the invoker on what exactly they mean. Please expand.

Saying bad is good.