You high stakes guys think you know it all, but poker champion Daniel Negreanu said that more rake is better!!

that's literally what's happening. what do you people think a boycott is.

never understood the negative comments on the NL thread and I don't understand any negative ones here either. unbeatable rake is an existential threat to professional poker and I don't see how any player with even a modicum of self-respect or solidarity could not support this.

good luck OP

and this shows negreanu was right all the time. all crushers gone from the tables while jungle and the russian guy cleans up the rec money

Do you understand what a boycott is?

I do and thats why i said "move sites instead of boycot"

If there is a new site with double the rake elsewhere i am not going to announce im not playing there and going through efforts to get a community to do the same.
Now there is one site with the highest rake throughout the stakes... so my question is why do players go to so much effort to set up a boycott hoping for a rake change while there are many alternatives with lower rake. GG is never going to budge much so you're beating a dead horse. If GG does indeed have an unbeatable rake the solution to move to a site with beatable rake seems to make more sense than a boycott

I support every player moving sites or choosing games where rake is beatable, however not a single player that does this seems to be making a thread about it. If store A sells my product for 10 dollars and store B sells it for 20 dollar I am not going to start a community-wide boycott of store B or try to change its prices, I will simply never do my business there and enjoy the prices at store A. So knowingly playing on the highest raking site and then complaining about it during or afterwards seems a little peculiar to me.

Just my 2 cents about the whole "the rake is too high" debate, maybe be kinder (and play more on) the operators who dont screw over their customers with an absurdly high rake


Edit: I get that not all sites are available to all people but when you know these ^^ rake structures why even bother playing there

SWCPoker has a TON of omaha variants, HU tables, jackpot tables...and the more you rake the better your rakeback gets..


Probably my favorite site. WPN is decent as well except they removed HU tables which sucks.

Everything in your stupid reply is invalid, because of this: A high stakes boycott of the NLHE games was successful a few months prior.

Let's get behind the strike, people. A positive outcome will benefit all.

Just leave and don’t look back then

If others are playing on site you left due to high rake then good luck to them

That’s what he’s basically saying. No use yelling at the scabs.

Words have definitions that we ascribe to them. I agree with you tho, we should define poker as being +ev for the more skilled players and we should teach other players the importance of this definition.

Here we are making the mistake of not understand effective rake. Rake as a % is not the only determining factor in the profitability of the games. Its rake x skillFactor or (with a reasonable assumptions) the fields relation to GTO.

Although sites don't owe a profit, its reasonable to compare games/fields as a poker player. We want to use this special/line factor in order to illuminate a standard.
Boycotts go against the game theoretical intentions of rational-self interest. Thats what makes them a ruse. You need to introduce a transferable utility so that you can make unilateral deviation profitable:

GG looks to want to capitalize on that they have half-monopoly. More players, who all pay more. Greed is not always good. This thread may in fact balance it up, the greed will lead to lower rake, because this will spread in the ecosystem. gg (pun intended )

The NL boycott was succesful because GG doubled the rake over night, they went didnt even go back full to the old rake and instead reached compromise.. Also the NL games wouldn't run at all since they would be unbeatable, so the boycott wouldn't rly matter.

That is a lie. As proven by the fact the previous strike did not benefit all.

And for everyone asking why not play elsewhere the answer is simple; GG has the suckers which the pros want to fleece.

ggpoker is doddgy as hell- Allowed cheaters over and over, lies on rakeback , the bonus system is a scam , I wouldnt be surprised if they said they would agree with u guys and posting the changes on their page and then keep taking the same rake they do now.

Well its certainly better for the guy that owns the poker site?

this isnt true. They increase the rake out of the blue with 100% and after the boycott increased the rake a little (dont know what %) but it still has the highest NLHE rake of all the major operators. Perhaps you would benefit from reading a bit better and reading up a little bit more.

so its nice to see something that is actually reading in correctly and what I was saying
although i am not a scab because i didnt play GG to begin with, because of the rake

This exactly. And once again, I wouldnt label the boycott period as a succesful one because the players were already paying a relatively high rake and it got increased nonetheless.

Not necessarily, no, and that is what GGPoker needs to realize. If tables keep breaking when a) a rec leaves or b) the rec plays a bit tighter than usual, then that is a problem for the operator.

I don't see the point in splitting hairs with you re: what is a successful boycott, when you don't even have a point to begin with. "Why do something for the collective good, when it's easier to just ... don't?" It's also easier to just shut the **** up and get out of the way.

Exactly what players on GG (and in this boycott) need to do shut the **** up and get out of the way to a different operator

GL

No. Shutting up would lower their success rate: the goal is for GG to reduce the rake. You are not thinking about this rationally as you are trying to argue a point that does not exist.

What a braindead take. Please delete this app and stop arguing with people trying to do something good for the community.

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players who are doing "something good for the community" try to get sites with lower rake bigger and start tables there instead of negotiating with the highest rake one

you are not doing anything for the community, get of your ****ing high horse

lolol dont get your panties up in a bunch

Actually im your biggest ally in this struggle. I've been "boycotting" GG for years and also planning to do so for years to come. And only because of the high rake.
Of course, I do this not for myself, but for the entire poker community. I am the modern day hero this world needs.

At the time, game theoretically, the players were unable to group together and argue that lower rake is indeed better than higher rake:

At the time of the Amaya boycotts I had suggested this:



By working with a different site, and creating a place to have a visually representation of depots moved or rake not paid on the target site to rake then paid on a competitor site you can start to have a sort of fundraising metric/thermometer.

Also you have to be careful that the biggest proponents aren't multi-accounting and playing behind the boycotts back, because rational-self interest basically increases that likelihood.

[QUOTE=magicspin;58278063]What a braindead take. Please delete this app and stop arguing with people trying to do something good for the community.

The community is not a small handful of players who consistently only think and act in their best interests and **** on those who actually want a community wide change.

Might want to go look at the numbers of players at each stake and see the ppl paying the highest % of rake per BB and the most players are the lower stakes.

The HS/Pro's consistently only look out for themselves and don't ever think about trying to get better deals for the community.
Stop pretending this is anything other than protecting your pocket just like the NLH guys did.
Here's an idea. Stop playing on GG because nobody really cares outside of coaches, stables and HS players after the last time