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Old 02-19-2019, 11:31 AM   #176
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

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Serious question: Can you elaborate on this? Apparently there is an overwhelming number of players (you and your peers included) who find their combination of game selection, software, and security superior to those of their competitors. Please do not say you are protesting on behalf of the entire poker ecosystem; it would be a laughable claim considering your entire protest group is HS MTT pros, a group of 250 players that, by conservative estimates, has a lifetime net profit of tens of millions of dollars (and quite possibly over 100 million) on pokerstars. It seems like your group's primary contention is that the players who are winning the most money are not winning as much money as they think they should, an argument that will not win you much support.

Even though I don't play on stars, I obviously support your goal to reduce rake. However, as someone who is far removed from the high stakes online MTT world, I think you guys are come off like a bunch of entitled babies with absolutely no leverage, and the long-term results of this boycott will reflect that. People are hating on Gzesh for questioning your organization, planning, and follow through, but he pretty much hit the nail on the head with respect to the necessary components for a successful effort against any organization in power, much less a multi-billion dollar, hegemonic corporation.
Point of clarification, I was asking itt about follow-through post event, and think OP and his gang of 250 did a stellar job. A truly solid organizing effort. Asking follow-up questions is more of suggesting areas of inquiry than doubting anyone's work thus far.

(I did ask one guy whether players who post in this thread are prepared to treat those who crossed the line as "scabs" get treated in social the context of a labor dispute. Calling someone a scab, an appropriate phrase in context, should be more than empty talk if used.)

Look, MTT tournaments, even "reg-infested" ones, can build a site like Galfond's or boost a site like Party. Stars will notice growth by the competition in that genre and may act to defend its turf. (It was how Stars grew up originally 15 years ago.) This is not the first rodeo ever, believe that operators pay attention to other operators' moves.

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Old 02-19-2019, 02:18 PM   #177
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

The strategy that would have worked best:

Get all the players you could on facebook groups and stuff and agree not to tell anyone about it.

What happened was a bunch of mid level guys heard the sharks are not playing and then they registered it.

Seems unlikely that you could have kept it secret but that was the only possible chance this could have overlayed, imo

Everyone should act with their feet now. Don't skip one turbo event, withdrawal all your money and play on the other site. Not sure if PS would even notice still, but that would create a little hole in PSs bottom line at least.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:45 PM   #178
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

Here's a new reaction clip from Joey Ingram.

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...22105969012736

"...so it will be interesting to see what happens. PokerStars... watch what's going to happen. I predict they will do some very, very unpopular things coming up here over these next few months. That's my prediction." -Joey Ingram

EDIT: I maybe should have posted this in the Poker Life Podcast thread since it's not a direct reaction to the boycott, but rather talks about partypoker trying to become a facsimile of what PokerStars once was -- while also pointing out that former PokerStars streamers liberally promoted the Stars Rewards (aka "Chests") program.

https://twitter.com/Joeingram1/statu...18542165331969

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Old 02-19-2019, 10:16 PM   #179
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

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But for now all I ask is for some funny Memes about our failed attempt to create an overlay.

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Boycott be like

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Old 02-19-2019, 10:54 PM   #180
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

At the end of the day, you either want to play at Pokerstars, or you don't.

That's it.

It's not a job agency or something like that.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:14 AM   #181
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:10 PM   #182
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

Not to be a contrarian, but boycotting one tournament does nothing. A company who serves a product to consumers doesn't lose market presence when .00000001% of their company is being boycotted.

I understand it must be the ideal, but the ideal should instead be to create a hearing in the presence of US regulators (and other countries who regulate poker to the same extent); which is ultimately the key to opening up competition and therefore, providing consumers with more options, so we can choose ourselves whether a company such as Stars is worth giving our money to.

Either way, best of luck to you.
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:46 PM   #183
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

After an abject failure like this boycott, the only move left is to loudly declare victory and then never mention it again.
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Old 02-24-2019, 02:37 PM   #184
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

I’d like to hear from one of the organizers if they were able to get into some kind of productive dialogue with PokerStars after the boycott?

Before that failed cash game boycott a while back, Stars was basically “we don’t care, go f yourselves” and afterwards “told you so, suckers”. If this one at least managed to open a conversation, that would count as a small win.
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Old 02-25-2019, 03:50 PM   #185
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

IMO Stars will start care only when their investors will start to care.

More open conversation and better communication channels with stars competition might be what come off this boycott.
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Old 02-26-2019, 08:13 AM   #186
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

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You guys do not see the point:

It doesn't matter if Stars is currently the market leader, no one denies that. What does matter is that the trend is downwards for them, whereas other sites (mainly Party) are picking up the pieces. This trend will only ever get stronger with every tournament of action regs and recs shift away from PokerStars, and it compounds with time...
Stars is dying, it's just a very slow process.
I don't know a great deal of things, but the one of the few I do is Economics, which I studied for several years, before learning this (poker), which many people in this thread do a great deal better than I.

Companies don't go out of business in one day and they don't lose market share over night. Obviously none of what I say is groundbreaking news, it is just what I see isn't perhaps focused on a lot.

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So, an entire day off, rather than a single event off, seems an appropriate next step ?
So if taking days and tournaments off and withdrawing entire bankrolls extends past isolated incidents, then...

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But the best way is to just support the competition, imho. We will focus on that, aswell as continuing to try and find a way to get Stars to care...
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Competition will grow, offer better services (tournaments in this case) and Stars will be forced to respond, rather than stay in their position of power. Possibly, as Party begins to gain more, in respect to Stars, other sites will follow and there will be more choice.
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Old 02-26-2019, 10:57 PM   #187
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Re: High Stake Regs Boycotting the $5200 Turbo Series PSKO on Sunday

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What happened was a bunch of mid level guys heard the sharks are not playing and then they registered it.
I'm kinda confused though, its not like theres a ton of 2nd tier regs who have $5200 to drop on a TURBO event. i guess everyone is staked like 90% for stuff these days?
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