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View Poll Results: what stakes can hellmuth beat online, 6max?

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04-16-2009 , 01:59 PM

Zergum

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It seems as if even casual players are starting realize that Phil Hellmuth is just an ongoing joke. With his decrease in popularity his sponsors will lose interest. Also, UB is suffering from a collapse of prestige and credibility due to the scandal.
Can Hellmuth sustain his cash game losses? He has to be a huge underdog in the stakes he plays, how can afford to keep that up?
Even with his share in UB i think Phil will die broke wondering how he ran so bad for so long.

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04-16-2009 , 02:00 PM

lnternet

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whos future?

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04-16-2009 , 02:02 PM

bluffcalls

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Originally Posted by Zergum

just watch the wsop this year and see him final table one or the other event and then plz ask the question again

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04-16-2009 , 02:02 PM

TurnUpTheSun

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he can still win in live tournaments.
plus he will always be able to make money on live appearances and residuals from his books.
he wont die broke, to say the least.

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04-16-2009 , 02:06 PM

Poker_is_Hard

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The guy is still one of the best NL tournament players playing today. Add in the fact that he will never have to actually buy himself into any event due to sponsorships, he will die extremely wealthy.

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04-16-2009 , 02:06 PM

PropPlayer

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Originally Posted by lnternet

whos future?

This guy who won some big tournament 20 years ago. I only know this because I googled him and found this wiki page.

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04-16-2009 , 02:07 PM

centerright

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Originally Posted by bluffcalls

just watch the wsop this year and see him final table one or the other event and then plz ask the question again

The WSOP is a giant donkament where some of the players don't even know the right hand rankings. Hellmuth has devoted his entire life to donkaments because he realized that he could never master cash games.

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04-16-2009 , 02:54 PM

Jourdain

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Originally Posted by centerright

So what? Is that a bad thing? You act as if cash games are the holy grail..

The guy knows exactly what his strengths are and what to play, he made a good choice.

Btw, if he really focused on playing cash games he would be able to beat lower limits. Don't forget the guy played cash for a living in his early days, he never had a job...

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04-16-2009 , 02:59 PM

PreacherCasy_151

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Very little chance of Hellmuth ever going broke. The guy is a PR master - all publicity is good publicity n all that.

Also; he's an extremely good donkament player

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04-16-2009 , 03:09 PM

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echohead

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Guy cleared well over a mil in tournament winnings in 2008, has massive endorsments, seems to know how to handle money these days, and is not a donk. I am sure he will be fine

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=117

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04-16-2009 , 03:20 PM

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meow_meow

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Originally Posted by echohead

Guy cleared well over a mil in tournament winnings in 2008, has massive endorsments, seems to know how to handle money these days, and is not a donk. I am sure he will be fine

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=117

No he didn't. He had 1.15M in tourney winnings. Buy-ins were far over 150k, whether he paid them or not. Also, almost 40% of 2008 "winnings" were from PAD.

In any case though, I don't think there are too many people who would consider staking Phil in 10k buy-in events to be a -EV proposition, and I say this as someone who'd be happy never to see his mug sully my TV screen again.

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04-16-2009 , 03:24 PM

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echohead

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I suppose by "clear" it could be assumed that I ment he netted 1mil + in profit and we have no way of knowing how much he is really making. But he did have over a mil in tournament winnings in 2008

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04-16-2009 , 03:25 PM

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vaz1981

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riiiiiiiiiiiiight.............

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04-16-2009 , 03:30 PM

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hating on hellmuth is fun and all, but going broke? come on. he has more money than his unborn grandchildren will even know what to do with.

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04-16-2009 , 03:36 PM

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BlackDespair

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I saw the million dollar cash game of 2008/09? and he s just super horrible. open limping KK, opening A3o from utg and keeps limping. i think he can hardly beat nl50 6 max online.
what do you think (6max)?

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04-16-2009 , 03:39 PM

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centerright

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Originally Posted by vaz1981

riiiiiiiiiiiiight.............

I played in a $1500 NL WSOP event last year, and there was a guy at my table who didn't know that a flush beats a straight. I've heard similar stories from friends who played in other WSOP events. I'm not saying this is common by any means, but it's pretty much accepted that the quality of players at a high-stakes cash game is a lot higher than donkaments.

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04-16-2009 , 03:49 PM

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Gonzirra

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Originally Posted by BlackDespair

i think he can hardly beat nl50 6 max online.

I doubt NL50 would be a problem for him, but I wouldn't be surprised if MSNL+ is. Check a tracking site

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04-16-2009 , 03:56 PM

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ChipRick

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the jump from 1/2 to 5/10 is huge

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04-16-2009 , 04:00 PM

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GiantWalleye

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Originally Posted by ChipRick

the jump from 1/2 to 5/10 is huge

i disagree

there is some differences, but really its just people with bigger bankrolls. You will find fish and sharks at both levels.

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04-16-2009 , 04:06 PM

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Sedeete

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I doubt NL50 would be a problem for him, but I wouldn't be surprised if MSNL+ is. Check a tracking site

this. Can't really exagerate and say that he'd be stuck at 50nl.

But higher than 5/10, i think he'll have some problems. I voted 5/10 so.

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04-16-2009 , 04:08 PM

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jojoh07

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I think any if he actually put the time into it .

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04-16-2009 , 04:13 PM

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BlackDespair

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But higher than 5/10, i think he'll have some problems. I voted 5/10 so.

personally i obv dont play 5/10 but i thought that the games are already very tough. isn t hellmuth having way to many leaks in valuebetting,aggression, finding good 3 bet spots and especially his betsize is pretty often horrible imo. just watch the million dollar cashgame. i d bet a lot on the fact that he cant beat 2/4+.

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04-16-2009 , 04:16 PM

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lozen

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Next to Durr who has the most topics are discussion about him? Helmuth. Also he holds many records at the WSOP. He may come across as a tool to many but many like him.
Look at a guy like JOhn Daly on the PGA he acts like an idiot but people love him. Difference is he cant manage money.
Also Phil does not gamble his cash away at other games like many players.

He will never be broke

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04-16-2009 , 04:16 PM

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deesnuts

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Online nl is such a different game than he's use to playing in, so i doubt he would be too successful at it and he's probably played "his game" so long to adapt.

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04-16-2009 , 04:20 PM

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JuhoP

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Originally Posted by lozen

Next to Durr who has the most topics are discussion about him? Helmuth. Also he holds many records at the WSOP. He may come across as a tool to many but many like him.
Look at a guy like JOhn Daly on the PGA he acts like an idiot but people love him. Difference is he cant manage money.
Also Phil does not gamble his cash away at other games like many players.

He will never be broke

He has lost in chinese poker millions of dollars.

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