Doyle is a legend. Doyle paved the way for us all.

what does doyle evan know about internet poker lol? )))))))))))

Doyle is the true GOAT

who else literally played under the gun?

Seems like a no lose situation for Phil ... if Daniel beats him, the poker world will let out a collective sigh ... if Daniel loses, he'll wear that shame forever

lol

thats dnegs ph podcast is the best thing ive ever seen

yes, sometimes raise, sometimes call with AA

well, thread getting interesting. Love you Doyle. SuperSystem ftw

i don't understand the general dislike, i feel like it's pretty apparent it's a schtick to get camera attention - which definitely had more EV than his play on the felt

he also comes off as fairly chill, self aware and surprisingly humble in interviews

always been a big fan of his and very entertaining to watch play

Amazingly incorrect read.

FYP

i'm not talking about his b roll footage for espn ocho

watch his appearance on ingram or anything else where it's lengthy and a real conversation

i also know a bunch of non poker players from bay area and nyc who've interacted with him via his charity foundation and they mostly just commented how he was a surprisingly chill dude - may have had some starstruck effect though, heck maybe i am, i used to play his poker app on my flip phone and introduced to him at a time when i figured "he's on tv he must be the best"

i admit I am obviously irrationally biased towards him but unlike most of the tv pros, his allure in my heart has not faded

good points

Judging by Phil's Twitter, he's been gallivanting all over Vegas the last couple of days actively trying to catch Covid. I know they'll be tested before the game, but can't imagine how comfortable Daniel is with that considering how careful he said he's been.

Can someone explain to Doyle what mixing is

Rules of the High Stakes Duel
For those that followed the last big heads-up match — Negreanu vs Polk — the format will be quite a bit different. Instead of a set number of hands between the players, the match will follow the framework of the High Stakes Duel, which is as follows:

1) Each player will put up for $50k to play for a $100k prize pool for Round 1.

2) Within three days of the Round 1 match, the losing player may play the next round by matching the outstanding prize pool, in this case $100,000.

3) Should the losing player decline to continue, new players are eligible to submit a challenge. If there is not a challenger that comes forward within 30 days, the winner can “cash out” their winnings.

4) If the winning stake runs from Rounds 1 to Rounds 4, a player may cash out after three wins in a row.

5) In the case of a winning streaking starting during Round 4 or later, the player may cash out after just two wins.

I have not read this whole thread, only this page of comments .. so ..

I listened to Phil on the Crush Live Poker podcast with Tuckman and he really is a politician stuck in a poker player's body. I guess I 'enjoy' both Phil and DNegs and perhaps they have wrongly influenced my behavior at the table as I can be an ass when I'm 'not lucky'.

More to a thread point .. Whenever you see Brady, MJ, Kobe, Tiger and/or Gretzky (and I'll put 'young' Phil Ivey in there) in GOAT discussions what do they do? They just smile. They don't defend. And even if you can bait them a little into the conversation they certainly don't do it with the veracity that Phil does. Phil even admitted that Ivey was a candidate to challenge him as GOAT.

To Phil's defense, poker is way more diverse than a 'regular' sport and his career will span 2-5x that of a sports star more than likely. He will have the ability to pad his stats for as long as he wants/can play. So should we applaud his ability to do so or just say he makes up for it in volume and drive?

Where Phil wont give in is that he seems to only look at poker as 'the games' or even more specifically WSOP bracelets as 'the' measuring stick. Yes, he is the most successful WSOP NL Player ever. But is he 'chasing' something that really doesn't interest other Players? So is he the GOAT by default?

You also have that poker is his career of choice and I don't really see that many 'up and comers' staying in poker 'for life'. The money they make in a short span is huge. They get married, kids, other interests pop up and may be even less 'stressful' than poker. There are many, but Jason Mercier is my prime example. He even stated that he wanted to be out of or playing way less poker by 30 when he was 22-23. My number 2 is Mike Mizrachi .. THREE PPC $50K bracelets with a few other final tables. Now there's a guy who can play poker when his mind is truly 'in the game'.

So Phil will have an opportunity to pad his GOAT stats without really anyone interested in chasing .. Tiger openly stated he wanted to beat all of Jack's records. Have you heard a peep out of any QB even wanting to chase Brady? No, not even Mahomes.

One thing that I certainly will give Phil credit for is his ability to vary his play based on the situation. Some hold it against him that the WSOP fields are weak and all the good Players are eliminated before they can get to Phil and test their skills. Well flip that around and give Phil huge credit for being the 'last Pro standing' in so many of these fields. It really needs to be looked at in so many ways that I don't know that a definitive conclusion can be made.

You'll notice that I've hardly mentioned DNegs here. I'm not sure what Phil says he's lying about and probably wont take the time to do so. I agree that 'a lot' of this is probably a show to entice subscribers to PokerGo, much like the PPV events with all their hype. Between Mike, Phil and DNegs they've all been mad at each other over their careers.

Phil (sort of) holds it against DNegs for chasing 'modern' poker thinking while we chastise Phil as 'old school' (more like his own school).

It may be an interesting match if the deck doesn't cool things one way or another. Phil will be much more willing to extend the match as opposed to going for an early knockout. I certainly didn't watch every hand of the DN/DP challenge and I just fear that DNegs will make a play on a River and (like Doug did many times) ran his way into a cooler. Phil will not over extend his chips, DNegs 'may' .. and Phil is counting on 'being there' when he does it. GL

Putting #positivity at the end of posts where he brags about himself is absolutely spot-on for the type of thinking and perspective that Phil Helmuth carries ... he can play the game but he sees everything thru the filter of his own ego and it is the sole reason that people who are sick of him are sick of him ... Jon Jones is an incredible fighter but a careless human being ... Floyd Mayweather is arguably the best boxer ever but people cannot stand his attitude and behavior ... people are not 1 thing, but the people that only think of themselves will always be confused on why they are being attacked, and will always insist they are being attacked when they are not mentioned ... there is no "off camera" personality for a person who intends to be a celebrity ... you are allowed to be your personable self on camera and the idea that your real self wouldn't sell as good as behaving like a blithering idiot and a child is a testament to just how dense the guy is ... this HU match is a who's who of who cares ... both are children, both are not relevant in today's hardest games, and it is a car crash that many people will look at despite not exactly enjoying it

What is the structure of these SnGs they're playing? Will it be like the Hellmuth/Esfandiari ones? I recall they started out relatively deep but once the blinds started going up, stacks got shallow and it wasn't all that interesting.

Seems like this is more of a match for TV and for egos rather than a true skill match?

idk if this is an argument for Phil or against him. he sees himself as goat, and not 'just' the WSOP record holder.

like you said, poker can't easily compared to sports. no joe schmoe, who plays hoops on the weekends, can show up at the NBA playoffs and win the championship.

i believe his own ego is the problem. he doesn't understand modern poker, he doesn't even try.

while his long term success is fascinating, he seems to forget he cashed in big w/ UB and still cashes in on his name (gigs, juicy games w/ whales). he thinks just b/c random online dudes disappear after a few years, it's a proof they didn't succeed like he did (not realizing that regulation issues might be a thing, that certain players moved on, even they could beat the game ...).

Mayweather is a runner and nowhere near one of the best boxers ever. You could have at least waited until Hagler was cold in his grave to make such a claim!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL2a2-8OHdg

Agree .. Phil dismisses modern poker since he feels he doesn't need to (and has the results to prove it)!

I can say the poker GOAT is hard to define and yet we have plenty of tournament 'stats' to track .. Cash games are what we don't know. It would be very interesting to see Phil play some cash with Robl, Seiver and Lamb to see if he can go more than 30 minutes without blowing up. If he plays those games we don't get to hear about them much.

Mayweather never stopped being an 'Olympic' boxer when he turned Pro. Points, points and more points. Win the most rounds .. win the fight, repeat. Sure, we all want to see knockouts but he had the ability to win per the rules without any 'unnecessary' exertions during the fight. GL