DNegs tweets multiple times a day, pretty much every single day. He hasn't tweeted in at least 2 full days since this last match. Broken man confirmed?

It's gotta be a bit embarrassing considering all the smack he talked about Phil's game before match 1. And Daniel has just played so poorly in so many spots, seemed to forget everything he supposedly learned from the Doug challenge

What is DNegs then?

And at a certain point, I've become open to the idea that Hellmuth may actually have pretty great live reads compared to most of his opponents. Otherwise I don't understand how else he constantly gets away with some of this **** and such inferior fundamental play. And no, I'm obviously not just talking about the battle against Daniel

Hahahahaha the younger GTO generation can’t understand how Phil can play so unfundamentally and get away with it. Kids be shocked about playing Q3 or 83.
There was no GTO play on Phil’s part. What we witnessed was true poker players, playing by feel, well, Phil was. Daniel is stuck between his old winning ways and his new GTO play. But he is going back and forth and can’t commit to either way. That’s why he is losing so much. Dregs has to go back to using his reads and experience and toss the GTO. It’s not working. But then, if he can play some GTO and combines live reads and his 40 years of experience, he gonna win another 40million!
Hats off to Daniel for going through a downswing, a public one, and keeping confidence. Now that’s some experience!

can anyone explain negreanu 4-5bet call with 22? ) might as well shove pre at that point

I think that's an example of him not following through with an initial read, but there's nothing to say that you can't change your read in the middle of a hand. I think it was a combination of both of them 'making a move' and then reacting to each street as it played out. They were both plenty deep to see a Flop even after making reasonable PF bets.

I think DNegs thought Phil was 'zooming' (and he was VERY correct) but then Phil was able to turn his hand into a semi-bluff on the Turn and pull a Johnny Chan move of c/c Flop donk Turn to take control. (Did the Flop check through?)

I think whomever bets the Turn wins the pot and Phil took advantage of his increased equity. I think the Board paired as well, which really slaughtered DNegs with 22 since another Board pairing card counterfeits his holding.

DNegs had the correct read but Phil then 'played poker' and took advantage of his perceived range and the Board to 'steal' the pot away. This was a huge 80K swing of chips that destroyed all of DNegs early deep stack work that he was counting on to take a lead into the later levels. GL

Daniel might indeed be done for a while. Terrible losing streak.

Unfortunately for him there's no rest for the weary. He's indicated that there's probably more poker through the end of the WSOP than he's ever played before. I forget everything he mentioned in the DAT podcast, but there wasn't any room to sulk in there.

IMO he really needs to back off the YouTube and streaming 'commitments' a little bit. He says he loves doing them and they help him stay motivated, but I really think it takes a lot of brain power that could be spent just chilling. Perhaps they are part of his contract(s)?

Can you even imagine the YouTube spots we will see during the WSOP if he continues to struggle the rest of the Summer into Fall? I would think that he's got over $1M in possible BIs before the WSOP even starts.

He did mention that he lost 11 of 12 all-ins where he had the most equity when the chips went in during the recent PokerGo Series .. he did make one Final Table but I'm not sure on cashes v entries. He's been working on his game for a long time .. and David Peters just strolls in and takes down the trophy after not playing any live poker since before CV. GL

What? 2+2 forum members have empathy? What is this world coming to?

hellmuth donk size was so bad though if negreanu shoved he didnt evan have odds to call it off rofl his read was nice though

?? I think he had 60K behind and bet around 40K into 110K? That's certainly enough to call off with a flush draw into a 400K pot. It's also deep enough that he still had plenty to play with and keep going if he did choose to fold.

He bet that sizing to make DNegs think he was pot committed (and that he had a hand that needed protection against draws). The bet was 40%-ish of pot. Not sure this should be a strat thread, but what's he supposed to bet there with AK/AA-QQ when he turns two pair? GL

he bet 42 and pot was 154k if negreanu went all in pot would be 259 and he had 63k behind, for u to call there u need 19.56% equity, lowest flush draw on the board is like 18-19% but considering u might run into higher fd or fd blockers or vs non clean outs u have less than that.

I think Helmuth is a raging Dbag and an awful deep stacked cash game player. With that said he's a great tournament player, great at picking up tells and is clearly doing unconventional things for reasons people don't understand that are correct. If people don't realize that just because they can't quantify why he's doing something that doesn't make it wrong then they're idiots.

if a random donk doesn't something in poker you don't understand chances are it's moronic. If PH does something in a tournament setting you shouldn't just dismiss it bc you think it's dumb. You should be trying to figure out why he did what he did. It doesn't mean he's always correct, but he often will be, and if people can't figure it out then all the better for him.

That doesn't just go for poker- in any form of advantage gambling if you can do things that are unconventional but correct and look like an idiot in the process you'll last a lot longer than if people can quickly figure out what you're doing and that it's actually smart.

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Anyone who watched this the blinds are 200/400 in this hand correct? Dnegs 7x raises PH's limp from what I can see?
Everyone is talking about how amazing this laydown is on twitter but is this not a call even if you know they have AQo at this depth IP in a HU sng?

Why would he want to have to call there. Surely it's better to not commit, if one accepts his 'White Magic' based play style.

true i dont think he evan realized he had a fd ) i doubt he evan called the flop having a backdoor in his mind, doesnt matter anyway is his read is good he can overcome - ev spots like this from gto perspective

phill hellmuth theory is he feels dominated by aq ak qq, so if he calls evan if he hits a jack or ace he doesnt know if hes good... kinda makes sense, i mean if someone tells my my hand is dominated preflop i would fold aj sure if someone tells u he has aq exactly u can call.

its clear at this point hes an intuition player and since he had so much success following his instincts who are we to say hes wrong, live u do get diffrent vibes about opponent tbh not necesarily tells but just that gut feeling, anyway this is uncharted teritory evan in society ...

I watched about an hour of the match (30 mins at the beginning and 30 mins at the end), which obviously isn't enough to judge everything, but to me it seemed like they both played a bit nitty? There were some spots where it seemed like a guy could take the pot away with a big bet, and instead they would just check or wave the white flag. I'm not a HU specialist, but am I wrong in thinking most high-level HU players will be stabbing more often to take advantage of the reality that your opponent is rarely going to have a monster in HU?

I'm thinking maybe the high stakes HU wizard types would be licking their chops at the prospect of facing this type of play style, but maybe that's unfair. Maybe the inability to just reload also changes the approach, as these guys were afraid to punt their stack, knowing it's a one-and-done format.

It was nitty but also trappy by both. It's harder to apply pressure when you know the other guy can be waiting for you in an ambush. Yes, it's hard to make a monster HU, but the person facing a bet knows that as much as the person making a bet.

They were afraid of the trapper becoming the trapee.

not really, usually hu lots of hands go to showdown every ace high usually mandatory chk back to showdown adn some king high and with their trappy flop lines its hard to do much betting after

I suspected this before, but now it’s confirmed. The current generation of poker players are clueless. Not all, of course. The vast majority, yes. Bahahahaha

re: AJs fold.

Remember PH is the guy that limp-folded AK in the latest season of HSP.

Something which has gone unnoticed, is that both players have improved immensely in comparison to their early High Stakes Poker appearances. Surely Phill as well has been 'studying' and analyzing in his own way, even though he likes to pretend he's always played the same, and is a poker wizard, skilled in the white magic arts.

honestly if we all knew before how far of gto negreanu would play is there anyone that wouldnt say hellmuth is favourite in that street poker style, we all know he can make huge laydowns and pull of some crazy bluff or hero calls and its not that easy to play vs hellmuth style if u start trying to exploit him ... u gonna be in some tough spots oop vs his weird range or play 3 bet pots vs a polarized 3 bettting range.