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04-01-2021 , 06:59 PM
Why can't I fast forward?
I'm not gonna watch 6h.
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04-01-2021 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by tsl82
Why can't I fast forward?
I'm not gonna watch 6h.
Because PokerGo appears to go out of its way to make its user interface as unfriendly as possible
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04-01-2021 , 07:29 PM
Didn't see match. But if the criticisms here are correct (I'm sure they are) an indirect conclusion that can be drawn is that players who like to stick fairly close to what they think is GTO, except in extreme cases, are often leaving money on the table when in a tournament hand against fairly weak amateurs. Do you see why?
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04-01-2021 , 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by zedsdead
I’m with you.

Like Polk said on high stakes poker, Phil’s dedication to his schtick is impressive. He never takes a minute off.

Even off camera I’ve heard people say he is exactly the same.

I respect that and think he is good for the game.

Idc if he is delusional or trolling, either way it’s entertaining.

it is indescribably tiresome and utterly boring.
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04-01-2021 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
it is indescribably tiresome and utterly boring.
Almost as tiresome as the Hellmuth haters watching something with him in it for the umpteenth time, knowing full well what they are going to get, but still watching it and then whining about it online after.
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04-01-2021 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
it is indescribably tiresome and utterly boring.
I played with him in a 10k in I think 2005 before tv was invented and he was the exact same. Although I agree with your premise.
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04-01-2021 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I played with him in a 10k in I think 2005 before tv was invented and he was the exact same. Although I agree with your premise.
I wouldn’t dare play in an event he is playing in. I know better.
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04-01-2021 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tsl82
Why can't I fast forward?
I'm not gonna watch 6h.
You can’t scroll the bar at the bottom of the screen?

I’m annoyed that I can’t cast to my TV though
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04-02-2021 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ninefingershuffle
I played with him in a 10k in I think 2005 before tv was invented and he was the exact same. Although I agree with your premise.
Played with him off camera. Low stakes. Same ****
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04-02-2021 , 08:35 AM
I've played with him five or six times and sat next to him on an airplane flight. Same stuff, nonstop. I don't think it's an act, and the only reason I watched even a minute of the match is that I had a prop bet on it.
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04-02-2021 , 09:04 AM
weird could have sworn i've heard the opposite that once camera's off he becomes a different person

definitely changes perception
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04-02-2021 , 09:41 AM
Lol at some of these comments. Yeah Dnegs carreer is over, since he lost this sit and go now...
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04-02-2021 , 12:48 PM
I have somehow watched the entire 6 hours!

Start of the match with very deep stacks Dnegs was clearly streets ahead of PH imo, Phil was floundering about completely, for some reason, Dnegs totally turned his brain off for the 46 vs 99 hand and never switched it back on again, was so on the defensive vs PH's "Traps" that he basically allowed PH to do his tiny 0 risk stuff.

Huge comeback form PH defo needs to respect, not many people would have grinded it that hard. The QJs hand though, wtf.
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04-02-2021 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ty4thDime$
I have somehow watched the entire 6 hours!

Start of the match with very deep stacks Dnegs was clearly streets ahead of PH imo, Phil was floundering about completely, for some reason, Dnegs totally turned his brain off for the 46 vs 99 hand and never switched it back on again, was so on the defensive vs PH's "Traps" that he basically allowed PH to do his tiny 0 risk stuff.

Huge comeback form PH defo needs to respect, not many people would have grinded it that hard. The QJs hand though, wtf.
Dnegs was so confident at the beginning, needling Hellmuth every hand and then looking directly at the camera with his creepy ass smile. I understand Hellmuth is his friend but Dnegs just came off as a narcissistic douche. Glad Hellmuth won , he might be a whiny brat but at least he’s not a psychopath like Daniel.
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04-02-2021 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Treesong
it is indescribably tiresome and utterly boring.
Idk, I find a lot of humor in watching PH absolutely butcher hands then explain how he played it perfect, and the other guy is a luck box donkey.

I can see how people are tired of it but is so ridiculous it still gets me after 10+ years.
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04-02-2021 , 03:42 PM
I'm a fan of Dnegs, but recently he has come across as if he thinks he's a tough guy, I saw him attempt to shadow spar before in one of his streams and he has no idea how to throw a punch, add in the fact he's 140lbs its pretty comical. Random thought but thought I'd share it lmao.
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04-02-2021 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by muaythaidon1
I'm a fan of Dnegs, but recently he has come across as if he thinks he's a tough guy, I saw him attempt to shadow spar before in one of his streams and he has no idea how to throw a punch, add in the fact he's 140lbs its pretty comical. Random thought but thought I'd share it lmao.
I thought it was hilarious and quite telling when DNEGS had about 95% of the chips he made some needle about coaching I think and PH basically today him to stfu or things were about to get ugly and he looked dead serious and DNEGS shriveled up like a flower in a wind storm and left him alone after that. Definitely some apexpredatorshit by Phil.
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04-02-2021 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dima2000123
Charts show you the mathematically optimal solution, but they don't show you how much you're giving up by deviating from the optimal solution. Maybe one action is just slightly better than the other, but it also comes with much higher variance.

When you have two players who both think that they're clearly better, and that their per-hand edge is much greater than the premium they have to pay to reduce variance, you have this monstrosity we watched yesterday. It's not wrong to put some value on your tournament life even in a winner-takes-all SnG, if you think you're a better player. You can't just sit down for the next SnG with the same player immediately after if you get it in as a 50.1%-49.9% favorite against a fish.
Reducing variance is not the main reason to consider disobeying a push fold chart. Remember those charts tell you what hands to push or call with if the only alternative is to fold. But the push advice should be ignored if the hand ought to be more profitable if a limp or small raise figures to have a higher EV. Or if the hand is poor and you know that the opponent calls with hands weaker than the call chart says. The call advice should be ignored and you should fold slightly better hands than the chart says if you know the opponent need a much better hand to push than GTO recommendations. The converse would have you calling with some slightly worse hands than GTO.

Of course the deviations would apply almost exclusively to borderline hands especially when stacks are small. Were the hands exposed in this match? Surely, if they were, you would have recognized the above thinking processes in the two competitors would you not?

(The subject of keeping GTO in the back of your mind as you seek to exploit your opponent is addressed in detail in my new book The Theory of Poker Applied To No Limit.)
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04-02-2021 , 08:18 PM
You don't want to always push with 15xBB when the chart says to push. The problem was Negreanu was doing things like limping with 5xBB effective with a top 20% hand that was way better as a push.
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04-03-2021 , 12:29 AM
Were hands exposed? If so what were examples of criticized short stack plays?
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04-03-2021 , 12:51 AM
You should really just watch it yourself instead of asking for second-hand info. It'll blow your mind. But in a good way, as long as you enjoy hating on truly terrible play from delusional fish who think they're poker gods
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04-03-2021 , 12:42 PM
Is Erick Seidel the poker tournament goat? Guy has been crushing since forever and still does well in mtts to this day. Phil says he is the mtt goat but I am not so sure. I played against some online mtt players like gboro780, moorman, jason ****, shaun deeb and some other players that have insane results that are very tough. Hard to say who the mtt goat is really right? Phil has a great feel for the game if he was more aggressive in spots and used some modern mtt theories along with his game I think he would be even more dangerous then he already is. Is Phil too stubborn to adjust to the modern game or does he feel that his style of play is superior?
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04-03-2021 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Gadarene
Because PokerGo appears to go out of its way to make its user interface as unfriendly as possible
Such a bad business move to lock your content behind subscriptions, in 2021, the era of streaming. ****ing morons.
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04-03-2021 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Quebec_2NL
Such a bad business move to lock your content behind subscriptions, in 2021, the era of streaming. ****ing morons.
? You mean like how every other company does it?
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