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05-14-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
I sense you may be right, coupled in with being a pretty poor NL player these days compared to the better regs he plays against.
Dwan and Ivey look like Zombies in recent appearances.

Especially Dwan, he was zo vivid and lively in his first season of HSP.

I geuss that's what the Tryads to to ya.
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05-14-2022 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by James C K
that would be fun
It’s listed on the PokerGO schedule so looks like it’s happening
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05-15-2022 , 06:00 AM
Yep, it's confirmed

This could be a very fun match. I'm a big Hellmuth fan but from what I've seen Seiver is extremely sharp - should be the toughest opponent so far.

Last edited by James C K; 05-15-2022 at 06:12 AM.
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05-15-2022 , 05:56 PM
This should be good.
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05-15-2022 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Defarse
This should be good.
+1. am definitely looking forward to it!
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05-17-2022 , 10:01 PM
Hellmuth vs Seiver now live on PokerGo.com
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05-17-2022 , 10:35 PM
This is very entertaining
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05-17-2022 , 10:35 PM
These duels are dumb. How do we know the two players didn't simply agree behind closed doors to split any winnings evenly. I find it hard to believe hellmuth would play a great player like seiver heads up for $800k , when just last week he was nitting it up with only $50k on the table vs. Some of the biggest whales of all time (referring to Mr. Beast and the other content creators).
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05-17-2022 , 10:43 PM
Most of those guys,who obv are wealthier then Phil were having to borrow money at the table off botez,so not sure him nitting it up has anything to do with him being able to afford to play. As Phil was the winner of the last round,I'm pretty sure Siever the only one having to pony up $ to play today
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05-17-2022 , 10:45 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Hellmuth had significantly less than 100% of himself. Anyway, this match is clearly as real as it gets, just watch it.
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05-18-2022 , 12:38 AM
Nice bluff,

Phil is the GOAT
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05-18-2022 , 03:30 AM


"This is a one-hour free preview of the action; commentary will be provided by Remko Rinkema and Donnie Peters."
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05-18-2022 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by James C K
Wouldn't surprise me if Hellmuth had significantly less than 100% of himself. Anyway, this match is clearly as real as it gets, just watch it.
No it all started with a 50K buyin or whatever for Hellmuth

He has all of himself unless he threw out some small pieces to fans like he does sometimes
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05-18-2022 , 01:17 PM
Yeah, it's almost like he satilited into a massive heads-up match. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a heads-up match for 800k, and that he can sell action. Do you really think he didn't sell any of his action in a 800k match? It's possible, but it seems unlikely.
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05-18-2022 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
No it all started with a 50K buyin or whatever for Hellmuth

He has all of himself unless he threw out some small pieces to fans like he does sometimes
Actually if you ignore Dual I&II, I think Phil is in for 250K

$50K vs. Wright he wins for $100K
$0 vs Dwan loses
$200 vs Dwan he wins for $400K

So for this match he is in for qtr mil.
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05-19-2022 , 09:15 AM
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Looks like the White Magic did it's job again
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05-19-2022 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Actually if you ignore Dual I&II, I think Phil is in for 250K

$50K vs. Wright he wins for $100K
$0 vs Dwan loses
$200 vs Dwan he wins for $400K

So for this match he is in for qtr mil.
Don't think you can ignore I&II where he won all the moneys though
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05-19-2022 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by James C K
Yeah, it's almost like he satilited into a massive heads-up match. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a heads-up match for 800k, and that he can sell action. Do you really think he didn't sell any of his action in a 800k match? It's possible, but it seems unlikely.
I didn't think of that, maybe he did sell some of his action but he's up in these duels and sort of a freeroll here so I could see him not doing it
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05-19-2022 , 03:47 PM
I doubt Hellmuth risked a single dollar even on the original $50k match

He either had it fully covered by PokerGo or got a fee from them to do the event and sold all/the majority his action at markup.

He’s definitely not letting $200k+ ride on one match whether it’s previous profit or not.
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05-19-2022 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chzbrglr
I doubt Hellmuth risked a single dollar even on the original $50k match

He either had it fully covered by PokerGo or got a fee from them to do the event and sold all/the majority his action at markup.

He’s definitely not letting $200k+ ride on one match whether it’s previous profit or not.
I'm sure I remember him saying he put up the $ for at least that initial $50k. He might be a nit in those cash games but he pays his own buyins for his WSOP action and he's definitely able to afford $50k lol
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05-19-2022 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ScotchOnDaRocks
Don't think you can ignore I&II where he won all the moneys though
Ok then he is in for $350K since he put up $50K for each of those.

He one $800K at the risk of $100K. Net $700K. And he could have walked away. So yes I contend not only can you ignore the first two, but since each duel is independent you should ignore them. If not you need to include at least every other time PH has played poker.
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05-20-2022 , 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Ok then he is in for $350K since he put up $50K for each of those.

He one $800K at the risk of $100K. Net $700K. And he could have walked away. So yes I contend not only can you ignore the first two, but since each duel is independent you should ignore them. If not you need to include at least every other time PH has played poker.
It is quite natural to view the duel as its own entity although everyone fully realizes poker is just one really long session of everything

Therefore in this news/views/gossip section of the forum it is my view, he probably factored in how much he was up in the duel and considers himself to be playing with house money and thus probably has all of himself unless he threw a few tiny pieces to the fans
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05-22-2022 , 07:39 AM
PH is 9-1 in these now? Thought I saw that stat at the end. How many opp's will be favored before we realize he's just that good at this?

PH is such a nit he takes 10 minutes giving guys good prices on insurance in small-ish pots. Hard for me to buy that he's got 100% of himself.
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05-22-2022 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Stillhateannieduke
PH is 9-1 in these now? Thought I saw that stat at the end. How many opp's will be favored before we realize he's just that good at this?

PH is such a nit he takes 10 minutes giving guys good prices on insurance in small-ish pots. Hard for me to buy that he's got 100% of himself.
Yes, it’s hard to be an underdog and terrible and go 9-1.

I believe he mostly did those insurance deals as showmanship look at me having the best hand all the time kind of thing.

He’s playing with house money on these duels though
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05-23-2022 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
The next match is Round 4 @ 400/400 of which Phil's 400 consists of 50 from Nick, 100 from Tom and 250 from Phil himself.

Tom will have 500 'invested' in the next match if he were to actually play. Any new opponent would have to pony up 400K.

Since Phil won in Round 3 he still has to win two more in a row to cash out .. Which is the same for any new opponent unless no challenger comes forward within the time frame.

So Phil is showing a profit of 700k from the first two Duels, but has 250k of that invested into this HSD III event.

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Originally Posted by answer20
Yes .. Phil's 400k in this next match will be 50k from Nick, 100k from Tom and 250k from his own 'pocket' .. GL
So Phil is 'up' 700k from I and II


And now after this match with Scott .. He is currently 'up' 550k in III .. 50k from Nick, 100k from Tom and 400k from Scott .. having only 250k from his own doing in his current bank of 800k.

'Technically' he's not 'up' since he can't cash out, but if no opponent comes forward that would be the case.

If Phil were to lose the next match, he would still be up 450k cumulative from all three events.

You would have to assume that Phil has 'coverage' behind the scenes. He wouldn't even add-on in the YT cash game. It would be really sad if we find out that all this is 'play money' and just to drive clicks. But I think Phil is playing so much at ease that this is not all his money at risk. It could be just his 'tournament' mindset or it could be he's going to be net 'up' if he loses anyway. He is a competitor, he wants to win.

I've yet to watch the match with Scott, but you can only imagine the confidence he's feeling. The WSOP is going to be a grind, both he and DNegs showed some age last year when they both were attacking a full schedule .. and going/getting close to the money or beyond in almost every tournament. I think the schedule is a little better this year for the higher BIs and both will take some 'rest' days unless they are going deep again and again. I think just from a logistics standpoint it will be draining until they get comfortable with the new set up, but they wont have the issues with breaks and food the way the common folk will. GL
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