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Originally Posted by jinz3rd
You guys will waste so much time arguing about **** that doesn't matter to yourself its amazing.
Nah, you took as much time to write this post as others spend talking about GTO play. And the fact that it doesn't matter is laughable. Understanding the concept of GTO will always be helpful to a poker player of any level.
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I think I get what the "GTO doubters" are trying to say, though. (I'm putting that in quotes because I know it's inaccurate but I don't know what else to call them.) While true GTO play can't lose, there will be some specific situations in which it's also not the
most profitable strategy.
The toy example I like to think of is a game of rock, paper, scissors. Suppose you and an opponent play this simple game for $10 per throw. The GTO strategy would be to employ the three options completely randomly (i.e. with no discernible patterns) and such that the long-run distribution is exactly one-third rock, one-third paper and one-third scissors. If you could somehow master that, you could never be beaten. Sure, you would break even against someone else who also does it, but you would never encounter a negative-EV game.
Now consider a hypothetical opponent who throws rock 45 percent of the time, scissors 45 percent of the time, and paper just 10 percent of the time. He isn't aware of his distribution, nor is he savvy enough to notice when someone adjusts to him. He just keeps going about his way, handing $10 bill after $10 bill as long as someone wants to play. (I can only assume such a player is named Kah Ching.)
Against such an opponent, you become more profitable by abandoning the true, third/third/third GTO strategy and throwing rock much more often.
I'll pause here... Variance51, is this what you're getting at?
The problem with this example is that it's a highly stylized situation, one that almost cannot exist in real life. For starters, the whole 45/45/10 idea is laughably extreme. On top of that, even the densest, thickest opponent would eventually realize he's getting milked dry. He would either quit the game, or would realize sooner or later just how often you're throwing rock, then adjust accordingly. If/when that happens, your only foolproof recourse is to return to your GTO strategy.
Poker is obviously much more complicated than rock, paper, scissors, but the basic concept still applies. Yes, there are always certain players with tendencies you can exploit (e.g. too tight, too loose, bluffs too often, doesn't bluff enough, and so on.). But the problem is that they will adjust as you continue to take advantage. And even if this one opponent doesn't adjust, at a non-heads-up table – which is a far more common situation – other players will be able to exploit you.
Thus, you're always better off getting as close to GTO as possible as often as possible: reaching it means you can never be beaten. You would be +EV against all players except for the few who have somehow hit that same GTO benchmark.
Besides, you have to first master GTO play before you can truly know how/when to best depart from it in certain situations – much in the same way you blackjack card counters have to first master basic strategy.
Anyway, I would never claim to be a GTO expert, so I'll let others pick apart my post here. Helps me learn it better myself!