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02-11-2024 , 09:41 PM
Is it possible he has a someone he's close with who has Immunodeficiency issue?
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02-12-2024 , 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
I don't think most people called Ike or people wearing masks to hide their faces are dumb.I think the vast majority of them,especially the younger ones are wearing the masks purely to cover their faces and it has nothing to do with covid which I think is scummy. I think almost all of these people are brutal to play with. I mean yes if someone has a paper mask hanging under their nose and tells me it's to stop covid they're complete morons but that's really not what we're talking about. Most people who play poker play for fun. As anyone who played in 2020-2021 after things reopened can tell you socially things were pretty bad at the poker table with masks required everywhere (and often plexiglass) but at the time we had no other choices, at least not to play live poker in legal casinos. Now we do. And at least we got 6-7 handed play to help things a little.

In the last 2 years or so, when most people aren't wearing masks I've encountered almost nobody fun to play with wearing a mask/cloth face covering. Obviously Ike is a crusher- but almost everyone I've played with in a mask during this time is just a huge nit. They're generally antisocial but even if they talk it's often hard to understand them. So if I get called for a game and see 7 people in masks I'm immediately asking for a table change or just not taking the seat. It's no different than if I get called for a table and everyone is wearing headphones and on their tablets. It's just going to be a miserable game so why subject myself to it. Even if someone is legit worried about covid for whatever reason there is obviously a massive overlap b/c their risk aversion in life and risk aversion at the poker table.

People give off all kinds of cues at the table that you should use to profile them if you don't know them. Everyone once in a while you'll be wrong but you make way more money doing this. They're often completely unaware they even doing this. If someone waits 6 hands for the big blind you should know not to pay them off. If someone has a giant backpack, tablet and headphone you should know they're not there for fun. If you see a table full of people wearing masks find a new table. It isn't rocket science.
Based on your outlook, I'd posit that those nits are doing you a favor and saving you time by "announcing" that they are nits. You should be in favor of them wearing masks so you know to move on.
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02-12-2024 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
Is it possible he has a someone he's close with who has Immunodeficiency issue?
He's mentioned that a reason he wears the mask is to protect his wife.
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02-12-2024 , 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SetTheLine
That's another level. Thought he was against vax cards @ wsop a few years back. I'll stay quiet.
Lmao@ thinking the young guy who always wears a mask would be an anti vaxxer.
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02-12-2024 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by borg23
Lmao@ thinking the young guy who always wears a mask would be an anti vaxxer.
Just because someone chooses to wear a mask and get vaccinated doesn't necessarily mean they support the idea of the WSOP requiring vaccine cards to play.
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02-12-2024 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
He's mentioned that a reason he wears the mask is to protect his wife.
well that should end the discussion
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02-12-2024 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
well that should end the discussion
Also if a casino bans players from being able to wear an n95 mask that will open them up to a load of lawsuits.
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02-12-2024 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kebabkungen
More like green apples and red apples.. One is worse but its the same thing, making poker a shitty experience for viewers and recreationals. Imagine sitting with 7 people wearing a mask a la Ike Haxton in your first live tournament. If you wouldnt quit on the spot you are on the spectrum.
Poker, the people who play it, and the way itís played today all seem to make you really, really angry. From your posts in various threads, you see scammers, scumbags, and douchebags everywhere you look in the game. Itís enough to make a reasonable person wonder why you donít find something else to do with your time, something that will make you happier and less miserable. There is some irony, by the way, in your furious denunciations of people like Ike who ruin the experience for everyone else.
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02-12-2024 , 09:08 AM
Any player who thinks masks are giving Ike an edge sufficient to account for his recent success should go ahead and join him in wearing one. It is completely within the rules of the game to wear a mask. Stop whining if you think it provides an edge and simply get one for yourself.

It’s all ridiculous, of course. Ike the competent tournament player has been one of the best poker players in the world for a very long time. He plays against the very best and he wins. Few from his generation have been able to remain at the top of the game.
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02-12-2024 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dude45
well that should end the discussion
Yep, shouldn't *have* to have someone in your life that you are protecting to be "excused", because young and healthy people are still getting destroyed by this **** every day. But I think everyone should just assume that is the case, and give the benefit of the doubt.

Hellmouth immediately jumping to the conclusion that it's all being done for some sort of angle says way more about him than it says about Ike. It's all projection. But we already knew that.
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02-12-2024 , 01:52 PM
there may be an edge hiding stress responses around the mouth/face that one can't really control, but Ike isn't wearing a mask specifically or even primarily for that reason. He likely just wants to stay safe, and there's nothing wrong with that
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02-12-2024 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BringBackMo
Poker, the people who play it, and the way itís played today all seem to make you really, really angry. From your posts in various threads, you see scammers, scumbags, and douchebags everywhere you look in the game. Itís enough to make a reasonable person wonder why you donít find something else to do with your time, something that will make you happier and less miserable. There is some irony, by the way, in your furious denunciations of people like Ike who ruin the experience for everyone else.
You are right I see scammers and scumbags everywhere ruining poker. Poker is a great game when you play with social people who dont treat it as a job. People like Ike ruin poker and I have no interest in playing with people like him. I play plenty of poker without having to deal with douchebags eeking every little edge out of the game fortunately. Just cant help myself from voicing my distaste even though it doesnt affect my personal life.
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02-12-2024 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
Based on your outlook, I'd posit that those nits are doing you a favor and saving you time by "announcing" that they are nits. You should be in favor of them wearing masks so you know to move on.
In one sense they are.

So a table of people I don't know on tablets and headphones are at least letting me know that table is trash in advance but it's absolutely toxic for poker overall.
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02-12-2024 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GreatWhiteFish
Just because someone chooses to wear a mask and get vaccinated doesn't necessarily mean they support the idea of the WSOP requiring vaccine cards to play.
I agree. It's not 100 percent.

But there is a huge overlap between someone, especially someone young wearing a mask in 2024 and being super pro vaccine.

I mean this is a poker site. If I could bet someone at even money to be pro vaccine who wears a mask in 2024 id do it all day long.
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02-12-2024 , 04:34 PM
A mask "ruining the experience" is quite the hyperbole.

In the room I frequent, all small stakes, 20% of the patrons mask up and it is business as usual.
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02-12-2024 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
A mask "ruining the experience" is quite the hyperbole.

In the room I frequent, all small stakes, 20% of the patrons mask up and it is business as usual.
I haven't seen it anywhere near 20 percent.

An entire table of people masked up absolutely would ruin the experience for almost anyone.
It's not hyperbole.
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02-12-2024 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
I haven't seen it anywhere near 20 percent.

An entire table of people masked up absolutely would ruin the experience for almost anyone.
It's not hyperbole.
That's probably true for those who have never played before.
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02-12-2024 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuma
That's probably true for those who have never played before.
It's true for almost anyone.

If a poker player gets called for a seat in a random casino and the floor points to 2 tables and says"each one has one seat you can take your pick" almost nobody is sitting at a table where everyone is wearing a mask over the table where nobody is.

In fact the opposite of what you say is true. Someone playing for the first time might shrug his shoulders and not really care much. Anyone who has actually played before knows which table is better.

I played about 1000 hours live in each of the last 2 years when most people have stopped wearing masks/face coverings. Id say these days it's probably down to around 10 percent and 2 years ago it was probably 20-25. I can count on one hand how many people wearing them id actually want to play with. To be clear many of them are perfectly nice people but just super nitty.

But hey if you'd want to go running to a table with everyone masked up have at it.

All I can do is play the percentages.

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02-12-2024 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by borg23
I haven't seen it anywhere near 20 percent.

An entire table of people masked up absolutely would ruin the experience for almost anyone.
It's not hyperbole.
I can barely remember the last time I played with someone wearing a mask (I play at the Borgata). It must have been over six months ago. And the last guy that did wasn't a nit, probably a bad reg, and easy to get a read on. While that's anecdotal, you admit you haven't seen it anywhere near 20 percent. So how is it a problem? I can't remember the last time I played against someone wearing a hoodie and only once recently against someone wearing headphones. I don't know where you play, but it seems like you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

And for the record, I'd rather play against players who don't wear them, and don't wear one myself. But I don't let it bother me and recognize that some may be wearing them for medical reasons, real, imagined or fabricated. I don't understand how a seasoned player like yourself would let it bother you.
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02-12-2024 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by George Rice
You said quit on the spot. While I realize you wouldn't do that, it demonstrates you'll spew forth logic that doesn't add up in an attempt to defend a position you can't otherwise justify.

You're filled with a lot of hatred. You have serious emotional problems. You are quick to call people names and think the worst, and not just in this thread. I recommend you get some professional help. Seriously. I'm not kidding. You have problems you can't solve by attacking people you disagree with on the internet. You are far more unpleasant to deal with than a truck load of players wearing masks and tanking every hand.
It was absurdly obvious to me that he meant after the tournament. It sounds like you are the one lacking basic empathy, and the one in need of help.
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02-12-2024 , 05:57 PM
I don't think I've ever met a masked person who was even remotely a pleasure to be around. I'm pretty sure they've been trained to be rude to anyone unless they're a proven box-checked member of their cult. They have some kind of misguided notion that their cruelty towards everyone else in this world will somehow return some kind of kindness to them.
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02-12-2024 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
...their cruelty towards everyone else in this world will somehow return some kind of kindness to them.

???

lol
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02-12-2024 , 06:12 PM
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It was absurdly obvious to me that he meant after the tournament. It sounds like you are the one lacking basic empathy, and the one in need of help.
"On the spot" means several hours later? I don't think so. I thought he probably meant a cash game but called him on what he said. If you read his other posts in this thread and others, he resorts to assigning the worst motives to others, name calling, etc. But you missed the point of my post, which is he'd say anything without putting much thought to it if he thinks it helps his argument (or makes him feel better about himself). It's not an empathy issue, it's a personality issue. Everyone makes mistakes. Even you and me.

I'm beyond help, but thanks for your concern.

Reading you next post (#96) suggests you might be cut from the same cloth as him.
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02-12-2024 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
I don't think I've ever met a masked person who was even remotely a pleasure to be around. I'm pretty sure they've been trained to be rude to anyone unless they're a proven box-checked member of their cult. They have some kind of misguided notion that their cruelty towards everyone else in this world will somehow return some kind of kindness to them.
I've played with plenty of pleasant nits over the years. Some of them today wear masks.
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02-12-2024 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CrazyLond
I don't think I've ever met a masked person who was even remotely a pleasure to be around. I'm pretty sure they've been trained to be rude to anyone unless they're a proven box-checked member of their cult. They have some kind of misguided notion that their cruelty towards everyone else in this world will somehow return some kind of kindness to them.
Lol. Some fíd up perspectives in this thread.
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