its the principle... not the amount

That's true, but as I said before it probably cost me more than just $4. From memory I had top pair with a good kicker. So I could have lost the turn money and the river money too by the dealer's mistake. I don't remember if I was winning or losing at the time, but I doubt I would have did it if I was winning a decent amount.

No, but I did take bets on if a man or woman would answer the "gambling helpline"

I won that bet. David Mayo, he lost.

lollllll oh man this thread made me laugh my **** off

I read the New Jersey Commission suspended the dealer and a supervisor after they dealt Frank Sinatra and Dean Martin a single deck blackjack game. Apparently Sinatra kept pressuring them to deal a single deck until they finally gave in. Sinatra felt bad about them being suspended and paid their lost salary to out of his own pocket.

Oh, yeah, I remember that, I guess it worked because they did away with the ladies event.

It's not so much about the $4 to the gaming commission that is worth their time to come out, but the chunky fine they are looking to drop on the casino if they can find a good enough reason (even though it should be about principle and not $ value)

If that is the case then they must have thought there was some kind of violation to come out after I told them what happened on the phone. That being the case, those people in here who said I was wrong are incorrect.

Bottom line if a casino worker makes a mistake that costs a player money the casino should reimburse the player, it's just common sense no matter what the in house rules are.

In my case a dealer's mistake (hopefully that's all it was) cost me money and the floorperson wouldn't refund all of that money. That was my main beef whether it was $400 , $40, $4, or 40 cents -- if a dealers mistake costs you money it's only justice the casino reimburse you every penny you lost because of that mistake.

Doesn't surprise me they said you were right. I was once running shift at Bellagio back in 2000 and had to call gaming over a dispute in a 15-30 stud game. The gaming control guys didn't even know what the "muck" was, and there were 2 of them. I always wondered how a governing body of casino games could make final decisions over games that they knew nothing about.

But in this instance giving your 4 bucks back was a bad call. Protect your hand.

Can we still go outside for recess?

The difference between you and experienced players is that experienced players know it's their fault when their hands get taken from them. Then again, maybe some "experienced" players have experience getting their $4 back, causing them to still believe that the mistake was the dealer's fault.

You know the phrase "the customer is always right?" Whoever created it was a genius. It keeps the people who are "wrong" from never coming back to a venue again.

lmaoooooo you sound like a douche

feel free to PM me the other story. Id enjoy hearing it.

Here is what could happen if Gaming was wrong to give me back all my money, and the floorperson was right not to.

A semi-honest dealer is dealing 4000 8000 limit holdem game at the Bellagio. His friend (or a great tipper) who is playing bets 4000 after the flop. And the guy to the dealer's immediate left (a tourist) raises to 8000 (and doesn't have his cards capped); then all this dealer has to do is to take the tourist's cards and "bang" he just made his friend 4000 dollars.

I think the Gaming Board was right, because its ruling can prevent these kinds of situations from happening.

I remember when it was $.10 a scoop at Thrifty's...

Kevin - Your hypotheticals and analogies are ridiculous. Your tone regarding why you're not telling your other story is poor and pretty rude. The whole thread is silly and your claims that you were in the right for not protecting your hand or capping your cards is weird.

It was an interesting story at first but your replies since then are pretty bad.

what do you suppose happens when the dealer mucks your cards even if you had a chip on them?

One situation has two mistakes, the other has one. It's still the dealer's fault they made a mistake, one which may or may not have been prevented.

Do you really think "fault" matters in these types of rulings? hint: no

What's interesting is that fault might matter to the NGC, which can override card-rooms/floorman's rules

Your story stinks, why would the dealer think that anyone would fold in a small limit holdem game?

Anyway please tell story 2. PLEASE!!

i can kinda guess the conversation between suits/staff.

"4 dollars?!"

"yes sir....4 dollars."


"give him the 4 bucks and tell him to hit the ****ing bricks."

Was the dealer fired?

Rude people are why we can't have nice stories.

it is pretty clear that he has aspergers you should be nicer to him also I think he wrote an award winning screen play but I can't find the link to it

Read the bolded and protect your hand and this shouldn't or almost can't happen.

But yes if it was found out the dealer and player were colluding then maybe the Gaming commission could hold the casino responsible and make them pay, and surely the dealer gets fired.

But in an honest run game if a dealer mucks an unprotected hand it's going to always come back to the #1 rule in poker: It is the player's responsibility to protect their hand.

I like how he's addressed every reply studiously except for Apathy's thread ender!

Yes, they can, and I'd rather have one gaming agent say I'm right than twenty 2 + 2ers say I'm wrong.