anti-violence, agree with Dick Tracey that people getting beaten up shouldn't be cool.

The lesson here though, is that if you play dangerous games, with dangerous people, then it will often be somewhat dangerous.

HTK clearly owed some people in canada a lot of money. During his manic episodes he would tweet about this bookie. He sort of had it coming. The guy had horrible gambling problem which spun out of control.

No one ITT is arguing against your painfully obvious statement that hurting people is bad.

The clear message you are not receiving is that per this post:

...one could safely assume that you are stating that you would have MORE respect for the thug had he stomped and kicked (and punched) HTK while he was standing. The position of HTK's body has no relevance in this situation. Had it been an agreed upon fight or one that broke out for whatever reason, then obviously it's a different situation.

No one "has it coming" in that way, if you believe in law and order and due legal process that manages law and order.

Clearly things like playing in private games where sometimes unlicensed credit is involved, unlicensed credit for other forms of gambling or being rude or disrespectful to others can potentially put people at more risk of getting into situations such as in the video.

That kind of violence is not enacted in civilised countries by the state against people convicted of something so we shouldn't be condoning it whatsoever, regardless of our personal views of HashTag King.

Rat.

Dude, you're talking about law and order in the context of someone whom engages in illegal activities. You can't have both.

Also, if HTK owes money, and gets beat up as a result of not paying, going to the police is about as chicken feces as it gets for that lifestyle. Hence, "Rat".

We are most likely talking about gambling debts that are non-collectable through legal process.

It's also pretty well known what happens if you don't pay that kind of bookie debt. I highly doubt most of them enjoy having people beat up. They would prefer to get their money without paying somebody for a home visit.

For argument's sake, let's say it was regarding a debt....

It's not illegal to borrow money from an unlicensed lender. It's possibly illegal to lend in that way, and definitely illegal to use violence to enforce payment.

The problem having a "law of the streets" outlook or mentality is where the line is.

If the attack had caused a permanent brain injury, would people's opinion of it be different?

Things like illegal poker games, illegal lending and illegal enforcement methods of collecting debts should be stamped out.

HashTagKing's poker pesona and less than desirable previous behaviour is a side issue.

I remember back in the day we used to call it pound sign

I agree with this and it is why, plus for other reasons, I never have done or never will play in a home game or any unlicensed game.

Nonetheless, the people who run games with the pre-meditated strategy of lending money to players and using illegal methods to collect are the ones who are primarily at fault IMO.

What qualifies this guy to be the king of hashtags?

Apparently one of his friends said he was always Hashtagging a lot of people in his social media posts so he was the HashTag King, and the name stuck.

Btw, I am not saying there should be a clampdown on home games. (live and let live, etc) I am sure that the majority operate in a reasonable way. Yes, many are run by people as little businesses to earn rake and as earnings for the dealer.

However, when it goes beyond this and through greed an unscrupulous lending to players aspect is part of it, then it is wrong IMO.

this has nothing to do with poker he owed like 70k for sports bets, he has always been a notorious slow pay

I heard that SageDonkey used to be an enforcer for the Krays.

Okay didn't know that, if your info is correct. I didn't know for sure whether this was a debt enforcement issue or an example of him bad mouthing someone at the table.

Yes I understand that in the real world some bookmaking is not licensed or if it is that credit is offered outside of normal lending practices.

The same principle I described applies though. You either believe in the rule of law or you don't. There are obviously two parties involved and it takes two to tango but there can and are still judgements of right and wrong.

Lol, not quite, but I was born in the Whitechapel hospital 5 minutes walk from their house in Vallance Road and I do currently live 10 minutes walk away from the Blind Beggar pub!

Creative choice of words for this situation.

fyp

If you believe in the rule of law, you accordingly do not bet on credit with illegal bookies and not pay.

Justice and the law are not coextensive; judgments will be made in either instance.

Don Corleone: I understand. You found paradise in America. You had a good trade, you made a good living. The police protected you and there were courts of law. ...

You come into my house on the day my daughter is to be married and you ask me to do murder - for money.

Bonasera: I ask you for justice.
Don Corleone: That is not justice. Your daughter is alive ...

Don Corleone: Some day, and that day may never come, I will call upon you to do a service for me. But until that day, consider this justice a gift on my daughter's wedding day."

Similarly the administration of justice requires judgment, within or outside the law

"Don Corleone: [to Hagen] Give this job to Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. I mean, we're not murderers, in spite of what this undertaker thinks.."

I lol'd.

Safe to say, getting you into a small room with a bunch of NVG posters and their fists and feet might not go well for you after you spout off with yet-one-more of your 'normal' ramblings.....who cares about debt!

Sage must've been a hall monitor in 2nd grade and every year after.

"Gzesh you’re my older brother, and I love you, but you broke my heart".... with some of your logic.

Did the lender declare in advance the consequences of non or late payment? If yes, then maybe, just maybe you could argue that the victim voluntarily entered into a separate justice system and in doing so agreed to its codes of punishment.

However, the person offering the service is still breaking the law in the first place, and in the last place when dishing out the punishment. The victim is trapped in the middle due to their own weaknesses.

He got beat out of his shoes and then told to sit in the chair.

The moment you enter yourself in some street **** the rules change. HTK ****ed with the wrong guy finally

HTK was just looking for fame, I played with him for several years before he won the tourney in Florida, and he was super quiet.

The reason why the ignore function was created. Thread ruined, like hashtags face.