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Sports betting has gotten legal and gotten huge in the last 2 years. FanDuel and DraftKings.
Are next gen kids still interested in poker or are they all addicted to the quick thrill of constant gambling ?

I do feel like that there’s very little interest now for more states regulating and legalizing online poker .

I’ve always felt like anyone of us who grew up during the Pokerstars Chris Moneymaker day’s had it the best. We’ll probably never see it again!

-RS

I think eventually it will open up and be available most places where sport's betting online is also operational in the United States. With all that said it is quite crazy times when much of the legislative argument years ago by politicians was that whole "click your mouse, lose your house" against online poker.

Now every time I turn on an NBA game to watch it there are numerous advertisements for betting, etc. Vegas has two sport' teams now and landbased casinos have opened up all across the US.

Obviously the only point I'm making is the obvious, they really never gave a **** about people losing their money, only that the money lost was going to offshore casino websites.

The local casino I used to play at in the Midwest closed their poker room to make room for a sportsbook

Fist thought there's just much more for young people to compete in online now where they can earn money. Second poker has a relatively high skill gap for new entries. Third a lot of people would rather try to 'beat the house' vs feeling like they were chewed up by a bunch of sharks.

Throwing aside the above I feel like there's actually been a fair amount of new players post covid in the live setting.

they could legalize it in every state and it won't be 1/10th as good as we had it back then

I'd just expect the option to be available someday in most states for legalized poker. Maybe it pulls away from something more lucrative and they'd rather just not let that option be available to the people of their state but I'd expect it to still be there in some way, some day in most states. Possibly VR world or the metaverse but poker and cards has been a past time for many Americans for almost a century or more now. Might as well let it be an option among many. Personally I fully expect them to go even further down the line and target underage people in the future with all sorts of esport stuff, etc as well.

How can you talk about that sports betting is killing poker?

Pokerstars is having 10 Million Dollar tournament today, GGPoker puts out a 5 Million one. Livepoker tours like EPT and WSOP are having thousands of people...

So no, nothing is or gets killed.

Seneca niagara casino shut their pokeroom down when covid started and there are no plans to open one back up. But you better believe they have the nicest sportsbook now

If you think world GDP will grow in the next 10 years, that can only be good for activities like poker. More wealth to throw into gambling.

Government is the only threat to poker.

the fact poker evolved so much faster than chess didnt help either.

Wait until you see the numbers for this years WSOP. A predict total series entries will be up as well as the entries in the main.
We could come close to the 2006 numbers, and I think it draws more people & attention to casino's which could generally help.
So no, I don't believe so.

numbers for main will always be around 5.5-6.5k which is pretty damn good. they've been that way for almost 10 years ow pretty stagnant,
WSOP 50 and first colossus if we take 50% of the entrants out due to re buys, its pretty insane

I had this convo a couple times at the table. All the casinos have sports betting kiosks. Some have them in the poker room.

Sports betting makes for a pleasurable experience for some players.

I do think that it could be bad for games in the long run. But it could also be good if your opponents are on tilt bc lol under.

I don’t like the idea of poker players being shaken down in other parts of the casino. So slots sports betting and the pits imo are all bad for poker in the sense they are extra rake on the game. People have only so much disposable income / bankroll. The last thing you want is people making 5 team parlays instead of calling 25 pre w 64o.

That's pretty sad to hear. Back in the day it the the closest poker room to NE Ohio. I used to drive there 3.5 hours twice a month and stay the weekend and come home with thousands every trip for a couple of years. A few years in, the profit became less and less each trip, then became losing, then Rivers opened in Pittsburgh so I stopped going there.

But sad to hear.

Just wondering how exactly is anyone is being 'shaken down'? True, sports betting, the pit and slots and can eat up a poker bankroll or any bankroll for that matter. But no one is forcing a poker player to play any of those games on his way to and from the poker room.

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Legislation/Govt only thing hindering poker IMO....it's as popular as ever at least in terms of tournaments which usually drives the rec crowd anyway (think Twitch views)

GG runs a weekly $1050 1mil FREEZEOUT (no reentry)...even during the golden years of online poker and pre black friday, we never saw random weekly $1ks having this guarantee. Actually the PS $1050 Super Tues and FTP Monday $1k were quite small in comparison during the pre black friday era and for a short while in IIRC about 2012-2014 the $1k Super Tues got to where it hit >$100k to 1st

On a Monday there was 200k+ people logged into GG. Again, not something we saw often even pre black friday with the entire american market still in play
Top left has the # logged in

edit: apparently i dont know how to post an imgur pic anymore lmao?


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It’s like why some stores put stuff at eye level so your kids want the toy or candy. Some degens legit can’t walk past a slot machine or kiosk without making a wager.

LOLOLOLOL

Wait, Wat ?

Wow this must have been a while ago? I feel like there are multiple poker rooms closer to NE Ohio today.

Yes I am thinking around 2003-2008. Mountaineer opened their room in 2007. Rivers opened a few years after that, which became my go to casino, and then The Jack opened. Mountaineer could have not opened at a better time for me. The games got much harder at Seneca. WV had fresh money plus it was only about 50 minutes from my house. It was a mini boom all over again.

The first 3 years I went to Seneca (and Fallsview) I had to have made close to 60k going every other weekend playing mostly 1/2 and nothing higher than 5/10. It was a dang atm machine. Then almost magically, the games got real solid and profitable sessions were less and less, probably around later 07, early 08. I recall the last 5 trips I went there I came home broke every time. Could have been variance, could have been I didn't adjust. Regardless, I went from a big winner to a losing player so I stopped going and started going to WV.

A Friend of mine who now programs wargames said he made around 60k in Poker in a short period. He says everyone is better at the game now(even the poor players are great narrowing the ability to win as easy as fast). Look at the on-line resources on-line now vs 2004. Look at the evolution of the game. When he told me what he put into making 60k in educational purposes I was like dude you could of made 2 war games and triple that in the same year!

The Golden Age of Poker in my mind is that I see less WSOP Main Event entries, FTP-PokerStars got murdered by the US so less new fish wanting to explore and spend their money. SO what's left is well, 'less'.

If you had told me in 2008 than online sports betting would be available almost everywhere and completely legally legitimized yet online poker in the US was practically dead I’d be shocked.

I suspect the next gen kids are more into retail trading as well

What's that Casino they were designing in NorthSide like? I practically could of walked there.