I would think most people would want to run it multiple times if they are way behind

Disgraceful.

Why does he/they keep saying he can't win twice?

Also, if there is *any* chance that Harry saw the turn card prior to stating, "once, once, once", then it should obviously be ran twice as that is a very clear angle shoot if he is allowed to change his mind after seeing the turn. Harry seems to agree with this by stating several times, "I stated once, once, once before turn" but even with the video + another player at the table stating he wasn't sure when it was stated creates enough ambiguity that this should always be ran twice...

Clear angle shoot.

He agrees to running twice on the flop and doesn't just say "yes" or "okay" but says "twice". As soon as the turn card is revealed he says "once" and "I can only win once".

It's almost as bad as winning on the first board then saying you only want to run it once, denying your opponent the chance to split.

Given how far behind he was on the flop, it's a super greedy, scummy move.

Also if casinos can't enforce the run it twice when agreed upon then I'm running it once from here on out to avoid this situation. Lesson learned.

Well, at the Bike, players no longer have the option to run it twice, in any game.

I feel the dealer burning and turning before they had both clarified to the dealer twice and he had announced was a clear mistake on his part, he was clearly under the impression as he burnt that they were running it twice and had then rushed.
So at this point he should clearly run it twice.
The dealer and floor clearly sided with the player they are intimidated by.

Very very poor ruling, poker players gonna scumbag the house need to do what’s right in these situations so see a lot of fault with them

it's funny how it's always an OG type gambler that does this, gets away with it, and then has their cred backed by multiple pros that have an obvious incentive to keep the whale happy and dissolve a situation that affects their hourly. when it's a pro, he's a scumbag. imagine if torelli did this instead of moving big chips? lol

fwiw, as much as harry pleads his case and says the standard "i don't care, don't care about the money, blah blah" he never says "you know what, that was close, let's keep the peace and run it twice to avoid any drama" which is what i'd expect from somebody that puts in this many hours with the same people. that mixed with the rfid picking up the turn before he says once and the card being opened while he's clearly staring right at it, idk how there's even a defense, lol.

it's irritating to know that if i was to do this while donking around/drinking i'd be crucified, but the fish gets to angle hard enough on stream for the entire casino to ban RIT and he'll be back next week.

/rant

Exactly and that is why I think he is a PoS for allowing this to happen. It is just like Alec and his " well, I wish there was something that I could do but you know, there are rules and I have to do what they say...." speech.

disgusting

changing his mind about after seeing opponent card to run it once its like you made a call on the river and then change your mind after seeing opponents hand. wtf.

i always say situations like these, lets compare to how it played online, and then stick to it if someting ****ty happening lilke this when a floorman have to decide cuz its not always the best choice, i saw so many occasion, floors just rules to the most noisy/upset player just to keep him quiet/calm in sitations like these. when its not really clear, hard to decide etc., they always favor the upset player like in this situation

so you cant change to run it once online after showdown. so you cant in live. thats it.

shady scumbag, disgusting talk too afterwards. respect to Chris to keep calm and not saying anything to this guy. id said to him just one thing: we have this on stream, everyone can see, whole internet will see, and they will see how shady are you, if you want this, really. then the pot is yours, be happy. well see how you think about it a few week later.

really hope Harry reads this thread

From my perspective, there is one question and one question only that needs to be answered to determine the number of run-outs:

Are you absolutely certain without any shred of doubt that Harry did not see the turn card before declaring that he wanted to run it once?

By the way, if Polk does not release a video detailing his sing-songy opinions about this controversy, I will be mildly disappointed.

the thing is that this shouldt be relavant either if he seen turn card or not before changed his mind.

he definetly seen tho, just look his eyes and expression when saying once, once. his eyes def. on turn and realizing his equity jumped a lot. also, he saw the set, why he didnt said it right away, why would have wait for seconds if hes so certain (like he says it after so many times, he would never run it twice vs a set). lol biggest lol, why you wouldnt run it twice vs a set? you want to run it twice definetly vs a set


this is so dump to argue it if he has seen turn or not. then why they agreed on before showdown? cuz this is how it works. like you ccant decline a deal made in a tournament, just after you both agreed on it and the next hand dealt you just cant. in this case, the dealer starts to deal the turn, cuz there were an agreement both side agreed. thats it, you have to realize this. can bring a lot of examples to it. both agreed why there is a even a debate on it....

both agreed run it twice. dealer booked, and start dealing the card. means decision cant be changed. and thats when a floormen decides to give the pot to the angrier one. cuz he know this is a sitation not too clear. so he can decie whatever he wants. still shows how dump he is that he not split the pot and cancell the hand. would been much better decision. both side would have been agree too. even this Harry cuz he knew hes angleshooting so hard in this hand.

For all venues that allow to Run It Twice, they could easily provide each player with a lammer with Once/Twice clearly visible on either side that has to be tabled in all in situations.

I think it's absurd to claim that if two players agree to run it twice, then one player can't change his mind, say, 10 seconds later despite no action and no new information. Obviously, the Harry-Chris hand was different as there was new information available; however, when equity is not at all affected, changing one's mind from two board run-outs to the default one seems perfectly fine.

And, oh... It's dumb, not dump.

How about you calm the **** down?

He clearly seems like a wale and he got it in pretty much dead. He can do whatever he wants.

Not sure how this is a matter for a NVG ethics committee. Keep the whale happy and move on.

i've played with guys who only want to run it twice if buried, and guys who normally want to run it twice but not when buried.

A man's word is his bond. Harry is not a man, he's a ***ch

the dealer did nothing wrong. they both agreed to twice. he went to burn and turn. as the turn comes out, possibly seeing the turn card harry yells once once once.

how long is the dealer supposed to wait after people go twice to burn and turn?

Really...I mean, the dealer heard them both agree to run it twice, that should be it. It really should not be complicated.

The dealer was doing his job and is there to keep the game moving. To even hint or suggest that this could have been avoided had the dealer done something differently, implying that he is at fault in any way, is just wrong imo.

Sure the dealer could have asked them each five times to verify but these are grown men, who understand english and poker language...." Twice? ", " Twice. " that is it......simple, well...should have been at any rate.

EDIT - also rereading that post, about the dealer. He DID have it clarified and I am pretty sure the ten people sitting at that table KNEW it was to be run twice. The dealer did not rush, as it was said, he was again, doing his job.

Looks like he guy didn’t intend to angle-shoot *initially*. Rather it’s just his fish-logic kicking in when he sees how thin he’s drawing- causing him to falsely believe it’s better for him to just run it once.

However, because of the [unintentional] timing (announcing as the turn card was being dealt), it then gives him a freeroll, which he gladly took- and that *is* an angle-shoot.

Equity is irrelevant in this case. Its about keeping the nonsense to a minimum so this process doesn't take several minutes and keeping people from angling.

If both players clearly agree its over. If the other player is fine with just running it once that's fine, but one player shouldn't be able to unilaterally decided to run it once after agreeing to run it twice. That creates angle potential and potential for a long dispute that disrupts the table.

+1

Even if he didn't see it was a queen it is shady as he leaves two doors open for him. 1. If it is a card which gives him more equity vehemently argue he decided to run it once (as in the video) and 2. If it is a card which gives him less equity laugh it off as an obvious joke since they both agreed to run it twice beforehand.

I never had any dealings with Harry so I don't know his history. To me this incident isn't an obvious angle. He could just have changed his mind/has some own rule about running it only once vs sets, etc. So it isn't conclusive evidence to say Harry is a scumbag. But I certainly would be vary to do any dealings with him if we were to encounter each other.