seriously

And to think dude just trying to leave... to work on his free throws.

so reminiscent of prahlad v lisandro

Especially those NOT INVOLVED IN THE HAND.

Remember, the rule is in place to discourage collusion, not so people can gain information.

Regardless of the rules, you don't ask.

It's like moving up in stakes and calling a nittish string bet. You just don't do it.

i think every man and his dog were praying for the board to pair the time Joe famously dropped the 'pass the sugar' line in the hand against Andy Black

I absolutely hate it when someone asks to see my mucked hand and call people out on how lame I think it is, but the level Joe takes it to makes me want to call it on him every time just to see him blow up like a gigantic douche psychopath.

It's like yelling during someone's backswing, you can do it, but your pretty much a ***** tard if you do

Exactly....

I'm finding it very funny how there's 10 people in this thread that claim to have had Joe act violent toward them, plus 10 more claiming that all the pros think that Joe has a very hard & mean temper.

Bottom line, I'm sure he's had a few instances where he's been pissed off by someone, so what if he did? This case sounds very obv. like the other dude was at fault. You wouldn't go from calm to angry in 5 seconds after someone says 10 words that were completely out of line?

If the other guy was sat at the table he was involved in the hand.

But otherwise yeah, its not a rule used to gain info on someone and it is a pretty sizable insult to ask to see someone hand.

Nope, he completely overreacted and is probably a douchebag for doing so. There is no excuse for losing your temper like this and its pretty good evidence that Joe should give up poker if he gets riled up so easily.

Also, it seems JH has a history of trying to get others to show there hand when they dont have to which is pretty significant and could go someway to explaining the other guys behaviour (which was over the line in any case).

If this is a screenshot , there must be a video of it somewhere.

I looks like it was taken from a phone.

Of all the pros, he is hands down the biggest cry baby. He's all about "pass the sugar" when he wins a pot, but pouts and says "story of my life" everytime he loses a pot. I thought the story of his life was winning the WSOP.

yes its a video (link).
but its in german. if you want to see: skip to the end of the video. ~90%.

not really...hachem himself admitted that he is a emotional guy..

Aww, the relevant part is only about three seconds long. Terribly disapointing.

Do they not have a word for "azzhole" in German, or is the guy introducing the clip just faithfully quoting Hachem's use of the english word instead of translating into German?

of course the vid is nothing special. i only posted it because they asked for it.
the guy is quoting and of course we is have a word for it: "Arschloch".

(you learn something usefull everyday )

Yes, the video only catches the tail end of it when Joe was calming down and about to go for a walk.

FFS do 95% of forum members are missing a half a brain or something?
Is it THAT difficult for people to figure out that Hachem DID NOT snap when teh douche asked to see his hand?
It was when he started to walk away and the fuxing moron called him an angle shooter and an azzhole?
Seriosly...internet kiddies should be banned from all live tournaments and any poker forums as well.
But keep talking about the "show me your hand" nonesense npnp, you`ll be just proving my point.

Seriously what is the point of rubbing it in against the other player here? Why would you even say this unless you are so bitter about the way a random deck deals out cards.

Also:

Agreed. I almost did the same thing to Andy Black at the final table of the Aussie Millions in 07. I tried to bluff Gus on the river, Gus called me and I said "I got nothing". Gus showed the winning hand and I went to muck my hand. Then Andy goes "I want to see those". The cards are still in my hand and I say "Why?". He goes "It's a big pot and I want to see what you were betting with". We got into a bit of an argument and the dealer showed my cards.

It is in the rules for more reasons than that. Also, even if that were true, it would at most only be as good as saying you suspect they MIGHT be cheating.

Also, if you think it can tilt someone by doing something as benign as asking to see their hand, I'm all for it. Sounds like poker to me. 100% within the rules.


Just to pre-empt some inevitable stupidity , berating people constantly can tilt them too, and it's not AGAINST the rules, but isn't the same. Just because something isn't expressly AGAINST the rules doesn't make it kosher.

Please elaborate, or are you just making this up and guessing? I've only ever heard of it as a way of preventing collusion.

Obviously if the guy who went to showdown wanted to force JH to show first he could of. He didn't. And the other guy not involved in the hand is a jerk for asking to see the cards, especially after JH just lost a big pot.

But like a few others have said that is not what set JH off. To then accuse JH of being an angle shooter, etc. is ridiculous, and I'm guessing that is why JH snapped.

For those saying JH was always asking to see other players cards, I may be mistaken, but it sounds like these are the hands where someone wins without a showdown and JH jokingly asks the player to show his cards "show a bluff one time, its good for the game...etc". There is a big difference between that and what happened here.

I do not know JH at all, and he does seem like a tilt monkey.

Didn't say he didn't cross the line after the other dude did to him...but I refer to OP's post...he just saw the winning hand, mucked his cards, and didn't say anything after losing the hand...that's when the chaos began.

Seeing a few hands on TV that show him trying to get info when the opponent doesn't have to is part of the mental game IMO. However, it's a dif. story when a 3rd party gets involved. It's just funny to see all "Joe did the same to me" stories come out now that there's a thread about this incident.

was he not angle shooting? Repeatedly not showing your hand when it is your turn to and waiting until your opponent eventually shows theirs qualifies as a shot. Repeatedly shot and your a shooter.