I never contacted gaming because I didn't care that much about the $400. If it was $4,000 sure I'd give it a shot. Nothing I can do about it now though.

Yet another reason to stop this nonsense. If the "pros" stopped doing it maybe it would be less acceptable and players would start demanding that money was put in the middle during an action. Whereas now, if someone asks for chips to be put into the pot they seem like an *******.

Fair enough....

calling by throwing 1 chip in the middle is arrogant? what?

Well, you also have to take into consideration how dealers are instructed to handle all-ins. As a dealer of 10 years, every room I have worked for has always wanted us to just run the board(s) out first and then get the chips after, unless there are side pots involved.

Interesting. I remember seeing that hand, but I also remember thinking, "Jamie's just trying to get a read." (Looking back, it's a funny notion, given that Gold is probably incapable of getting a read from Hellmuth in that spot.)

Now it makes more sense: Jamie has played enough in L.A. card rooms to know that you make the opponent put money in before making your action. I can't imagine how many times he has been angled.

As someone who is still somewhat inexperienced at the live game, reading this thread is a good lesson. I would have been wide open to such an angle shot. The player's declaration, the dealer's issuing an All-in button, the other player's call (and moving chips in) -- I would have thought all of those constituted a call.

It seems like there’s a way to make free money here

Just go get $ and buy into your local 5-10 game

Shove every hand and hope you win whatever one is called.

If you lose, don’t pay and get cashed out. Hit up the next casino.

Easy game.

Did you run this personality type by a registered Psychiatrist to make sure your diagnosis is correct? If so what was the outcome?

I saw this happen in a major casino just last weekend. Casino didn't (couldn't?) force the guy to pay, 86'd him but let him walk out with $450 chips. Guy who won the hand was insanely chill about it.

Yeah i mean theres so many poker rooms now in the US, couldnt you just travel the country playing 2/5 or 5/10NL and every time you lost a massive one you could just leave, especially if its in the midwest or somewhere you will likely never return to in your LIFETIME?

what a terrible system, even tho its insanely unlikely people do this.

they could in theory do it.... 5 different times in 1 year in vegas. or 1 year maybe you hit up 5 different midwest casinos. maybe the 3rd year you hit up the east coast and hit those large # of rooms. then maybe you go to florida 4th year and hit up 5 casinos there. then go to west coast LA for a few more cardrooms the 5th year.

Sure they couldnt do it again, but in 1 summer they could change $10k in potential losses into 0 losses if you play big enough it could even be MORE.

There aren't that many rooms that spread 5/10. And some rooms are connected like MGM rooms, Caesar's rooms, etc. so I assume if you get banned from one you get banned from all of them? Let's say you can freeroll for $500 per room that spreads 2/5 and $1000 per room that spreads 5/10.

Seems like a lot of work for a mediocre amount of money.

i assumed you wouldnt fire your non payout pot until it was a massive one you lost. like 300-500BB+

arnt a lot of cardrooms in california not linked to big chains? like lots of smaller independent rooms?

also you underestimate degenerates. thats like literally their callsign

I've never heard of this Guy Jams dude

Yep, 100%.

An interesting part of this is actually how quickly DNegs agrees that Jaime is fully in the right. To me it seems like Negreanu definitely has seen the angle in the OP multiple times in lives games, due to how quickly he agrees that Gold is perfectly in the right here

This will work every time but once! The one time it doesn't work could land the villain in the hospital or the morgue. I know that if someone pulled this move on me, they would never make it to the cage with their chips intact. I will deal with the cops and security later. But at that moment there will be Hell to pay!

I think if you stood up and yelled at Security, "He's stealing my chips, don't let him get away", and whipped out your phone to call 911, they would be unlikely to let him cash out.

A non-physical escalation should suffice.

I have watched Jamie play on Live at the Bike a few times recently and he is not as bad as people on 2+2 think. He has pretty good instincts and I've been impressed with his cash game play lately.

I saw the same thing happen at the Bellagio, was either a $5/10 or $10/20 NLHE game (can't remember now), maybe around 10 years ago. Guy refused to pay, casino 86'ed him and he walked off with his money.

This is the common sense approach. It's tilting af when there are two players all-in, and they sit there counting exactly before the board runs out when one of the players obviously covers.

I got you beat. I'm going to recruit homeless people to do this for me on a large scale. Pay them 1 crack rock if they lose 2 if they win. 1k buy-ins double or break even.

I mean, this is basically what people did with ghost deposits on Full Tilt.

Yeah, exactly this. When I first saw this clip, I didn't understand why Negreanu was so adamant about it. But then, I had not played a hand of B&M poker in my life at that point. Now it makes perfect sense.

And again, Gold clearly knew to insist that his opponent put his chips in, even though it was quite unlikely Hellmuth would pull such a stunt in that situation. Such an interesting video to me now that I know that this is such a common angle.

and then player B gets 86d, it's a one time angle that will get you villafied by the community and barred from that casino

quick take: I think if the casino can't be responsible enough by actually running the game to get people to put chips in the middle, then they should be paying out bets when players want to leave with their chips without paying off their bets...