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09-04-2023 , 02:25 PM
Surprised by there being no thread on this:

https://uncoveringwesley.wordpress.com/

Pretty crazy story
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09-04-2023 , 03:09 PM
If that story is accurate as the writer convey, you can't have any sympathy for a failed greedy investment. So next time be cautious about sending strangers your life savings.

Also, compared to normal scams where the "scammer" disappears and is anonymous, here the people scammed know the identity of the "scammer". If the are anything but beta, they can easily confront this person. For example, if this would happen to me and I would know the identity of the scammer, I guarantee you that I would be on the next plane to pay him a visit.

Unfortunately, like the expression goes "there's a sucker born every minute"
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09-04-2023 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by herbalerv
Surprised by there being no thread on this:

https://uncoveringwesley.wordpress.com/

Pretty crazy story
I created one last night it was moved to a general chat thread. Compared to some of the other threads that are allowed to let stand I think it’s ridiculous. But the mods here are on a power trip and they think they can decide for us lowly people what is important enough for a thread lol
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09-04-2023 , 03:34 PM
Sorry that the dream of shitcoin riches was a rugpull

I don't get this part though, was the investment before he was a known name or after? Because at first it sounds like he became that after, but then his notoriety is used to prop up good reason to trust him. Doesn't fit.

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When we tried to reach out to Wesley, we found that he had blocked our numbers and was non-responsive to any alternative forms of contact. All of our previous WhatsApp and Telegram conversations were deleted. At this point, it started to sink in that he had scammed us.

By this time, Wesley had reinvented himself as a professional poker player. He started to appear regularly on the poker show Hustler Casino Live, and played in the World Series of Poker in Las Vegas.

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Please ask yourself what you would have done in the circumstances. The co-founder of SupremeX, who was also an influencer and a television celebrity, had personally assured me that a big investor would be coming in before 25 August.
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09-04-2023 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLearner
If that story is accurate as the writer convey, you can't have any sympathy for a failed greedy investment. So next time be cautious about sending strangers your life savings.

Also, compared to normal scams where the "scammer" disappears and is anonymous, here the people scammed know the identity of the "scammer". If the are anything but beta, they can easily confront this person. For example, if this would happen to me and I would know the identity of the scammer, I guarantee you that I would be on the next plane to pay him a visit.

Unfortunately, like the expression goes "there's a sucker born every minute"
What are you going to do when you confront the scammer?
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09-04-2023 , 04:01 PM
Classic case of the greedy getting got..
Trusting some guy famous from a stream called HUSTLER not to hustle them because you couldn't possibly start a family and put a down payment on a house without millions of dollars liquid capital, give your life savings to the HUSTLER guy for a shitcoin that's doing a pump and dump for an anonymous Chinese whale. Hard to blame them tho the HUSTLER guy promised him it would 10x-50x very quickly.
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09-04-2023 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TheLearner
If that story is accurate as the writer convey, you can't have any sympathy for a failed greedy investment. So next time be cautious about sending strangers your life savings.

Also, compared to normal scams where the "scammer" disappears and is anonymous, here the people scammed know the identity of the "scammer". If the are anything but beta, they can easily confront this person. For example, if this would happen to me and I would know the identity of the scammer, I guarantee you that I would be on the next plane to pay him a visit.

Unfortunately, like the expression goes "there's a sucker born every minute"
If the story is true Wesley is an absolute scumbag gangster. Yeah, the guy Wesley scammed is a total sucker, but that doesn't excuse the rugpull or sending thugs to break into the guy's house.
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09-04-2023 , 04:57 PM
Is this the only time he was accused of something similar? I'm very sure I read something about it either here or on twitter a few months ago.

Guess in a sense nothing new, all those crypto influencers and players in those american live games are always broke.
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09-04-2023 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by H.O.R.S.E.
If the story is true Wesley is an absolute scumbag gangster. Yeah, the guy Wesley scammed is a total sucker, but that doesn't excuse the rugpull or sending thugs to break into the guy's house.
I agree with this. Most of the replies so far seem to have a warped perception of who deserves blame in cases where a naive/stupid person is blatantly victimized.

Being a dumb, careless, or even greedy person doesn't give other people the right to steal from you. It doesn't matter at all what type of person the victim is. It's ridiculous that this even needs to be said.

I have a theory that the type of person whose first reaction is to criticize the victim in cases like this would be very likely to victimize people in the same way if they knew they could get away with it. It's a very narcissistic mindset to think that people who aren't as smart as you are (or think you are) deserve to be taken advantage of.
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09-04-2023 , 05:50 PM
Is it not unethical to be transponding privately with the founder of a shitcoin hoping to receive proper timing on when to dump a significant amount thus screwing over the other investors? I genuinely know nothing about how this kind of stuff works. It sounds like these guys were doing what is effectively insider trading and mad they never got the chance to screw over the guys they're now mutual victims with. Let me know if i'm wrong this is interesting.
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09-04-2023 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by TPeck
Is it not unethical to be transponding privately with the founder of a shitcoin hoping to receive proper timing on when to dump a significant amount thus screwing over the other investors? I genuinely know nothing about how this kind of stuff works. It sounds like these guys were doing what is effectively insider trading and mad they never got the chance to screw over the guys they're now mutual victims with. Let me know if i'm wrong this is interesting.
It's called pump and dump and I don't know exactly how much of it accounts for crypto noobs being scammed, but it's a whole hell of a lot, and yes it's very shady
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09-04-2023 , 05:57 PM
I'm not reading that or even clicking on the link, someone braver or dumber than me or with a sandbox please summarise
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09-04-2023 , 07:25 PM
It looks like Wesley is actually the victim of an extortion attempt by another (unnamed) HCL reg.

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09-04-2023 , 07:53 PM
Pretty saavy scam I guess. Multiple layers of meta rug pulling lol.... rug the one guy by stringing him along telling him your gonna rug the next guy...
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09-04-2023 , 07:55 PM
However this shakes out I feel like Wes side is the nut low of human beings
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09-04-2023 , 08:41 PM
There was a player or two that openly questioned Wesley’s background on the Hustler stream…
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09-05-2023 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
Sorry that the dream of shitcoin riches was a rugpull

I don't get this part though, was the investment before he was a known name or after? Because at first it sounds like he became that after, but then his notoriety is used to prop up good reason to trust him. Doesn't fit.
I agree most crypto coins are worthless but BTC can still be a good investment. I think the days of huge upswings are over though
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09-05-2023 , 05:28 AM
On a side note am i the only one not surprised another HCL player turns out to be an unsavory character. I expect Drug cartels and inner city gang leaders to show up on stream any day now. Maybe they can invite SBF to play
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09-05-2023 , 08:49 AM
WHAT??!!?? Another HCL reg being exposed for their shady character?? No way!!!

All I want for Christmas is for Julie Yorn to come back...
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09-05-2023 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Wumpy
I agree with this. Most of the replies so far seem to have a warped perception of who deserves blame in cases where a naive/stupid person is blatantly victimized.

Being a dumb, careless, or even greedy person doesn't give other people the right to steal from you. It doesn't matter at all what type of person the victim is. It's ridiculous that this even needs to be said.



I have a theory that the type of person whose first reaction is to criticize the victim in cases like this would be very likely to victimize people in the same way if they knew they could get away with it. It's a very narcissistic mindset to think that people who aren't as smart as you are (or think you are) deserve to be taken advantage of.
Correct about victim blaming to a point but read the entire story.
This guy was perfectly fine with other people getting scammed if he made a ton of money. His issue with Wes isn't that Wes was scamming,it's that this guy was one of the marks when he thought he was on the right side of the scam.

Wes tells him they're manipulating the price and they're waiting for this big fish to be reeled in which will drive the price up so they can dump it. Does he say "I want nothing to do with this scam" and sell. No he holds because he thinks he's on on the scam.

Now if Wes instead was blowing smoke up his ass telling him how great this coin was gonna be, it's gonna compete with Bitcoin bc of reason x y and z etc. then I would say he was merely stupid and careless.

It's also amazing he clearly learned nothing from being scammed. He still justifies his original decision by staying something to the effect of "why wouldn't you listen to someone with a large social media following who tells you that you can 10x your money"?

If everything he said is true then Wes is a scumbag and scammer- but so is the guy who got scammed.

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09-05-2023 , 11:40 AM
The accuser should provide the $250k transfer details. Need some hard evidence to show that real money was sent to Wesley's real account.

The accuser should know that people will look up Metro police details.

Right now, not sure what to think, the accuser's blog shows a long timeline but yet he's anonymous. The stolen "evidence" can go either way 1) Wes' thugs stole real evidence or 2) accuser conveniently doesn't need to produce real receipts. Generally I don't recall accusers staying anonymous when making big accusations ie Rampage exposing Aab or any of the other accusers on two plus two in the past.

If the allegations are to be believed, then there must be other people who were scammed. I would hope that they would come out and "expose" this alleged scam.

If this does turn out to be an elaborate hoax, consider how much effort the accuser has gone through to make up all this stuff. That short audio clip of Wes, saying very little, took a lot of effort to find and present as "evidence".


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09-05-2023 , 02:52 PM
not surprising wesley thinks people are dumb and will buy the "this is a fake!" defense ... the guy's story is crazy elaborate and it would not be the first HCL crypto boi to be exposed as a scammer
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09-05-2023 , 03:38 PM
When we tried to reach out to Wesley, we found that he had blocked our numbers and was non-responsive to any alternative forms of contact. All of our previous WhatsApp and Telegram conversations were deleted. At this point, it started to sink in that he had scammed us.

Ten paragraphs later he claims that he contacted Wesley about the burglary and Wesley texts him back incriminating himself. Mmmk.

Story is swiss cheese.
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09-05-2023 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
When we tried to reach out to Wesley, we found that he had blocked our numbers and was non-responsive to any alternative forms of contact. All of our previous WhatsApp and Telegram conversations were deleted. At this point, it started to sink in that he had scammed us.

Ten paragraphs later he claims that he contacted Wesley about the burglary and Wesley texts him back incriminating himself. Mmmk.

Story is swiss cheese.
There should be SERIOUS consequences for those who accused and then are found to either be lying about what they said OR just attention whoring. This same crap is now happening to Rampage.

Quite convenient, that Wesley accuser is "anonymous". Guy needs to step up and reveal himself. Burden is on the accuser to make his case.

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